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Not just economic. Reagan believed that the Soviet Union itself should fall, and would fall. Neither was consensus among the politicians and diplomats in Americ

Not just economic. Reagan believed that the Soviet Union itself should fall, and would fall. Neither was consensus among the politicians and diplomats in America, to say nothing of Europe. he applied economic, military, and diplomatic pressure to make it so. He understood what would happen when the soviets started to relax their control. Something Gorbachev didn't understand or couldn't fight. Why do you think the key phrase of the end of the cold war is "Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall!". Reagan challenged him to dismantle something that they both knew couldn't stand, and that would result in the eventual collapse of the GDR (it was, after all, built to save the GDR from all of its citizens voting with their feet to abandon communism and leave for the west). Ironically, the "domino theory" ended up being correct, but it was the east and the soviets that couldn't sustain the effects of satellite states being lost, not Asia and America. Gorbachev gets a lot of credit for not behaving like his predecessors had, with violent crackdowns and marching armies whenever the rule of the party was threatened. Most say this was due to Gorbachev not understanding - but I think it's simpler. Gorbachev simply knew that the state could no longer do so - and in fact the one time he tried, it completely failed on him. Gorbachev also lied (and changed his story) vis-a-vis NATO expansion something that Putin has used to build a "NATO betrayed us story" to justify his invasion of Ukraine much as Hitler used the "stab in the back". Does that take away from Gorbachev? Maybe not, but Gorbachev was presiding over a failing state the second he took power. He simply rode it out, with as little violence as possible. That's something to be celebrated. https://www.rferl.org/a/nato-expansion-russia-mislead/31263602.html https://www.rferl.org/a/nato-expansion-russia-mislead/312636...

jltsiren 4y ago
> Why do you think the key phrase of the end of the cold war is "Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall!". That's a very American perspective. I mostly associate that quote with Civilization V, because it wasn't a big deal at the time, at least in Finland. The speech itself didn't receive that much attention in 1987. When the Berlin Wall fell, the scene that really grabbed people's attention was people breaking the wall with hammers. And if had to choose a single scene to symbolize the end of the cold war, it would be Yeltsin giving a speech on top of a tank. Applying diplomatic and military pressure to break the Soviet block was not a new thing in the 1980s. The closest it came to succeeding was in 1968. Reforms and the protests didn't lead anywhere at the time, because the USSR had the will and the resources to respond decisively. The situation was different in the late 1980s, thanks to Gorbachev's reforms and Reagan's economic pressure.

jltsiren 4y ago

> Why do you think the key phrase of the end of the cold war is "Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall!". That's a very American perspective. I mostly associate that quote with Civilization V, because it wasn't a big deal at the time, at least in Finland. The speech itself didn't receive that much attention in 1987. When the Berlin Wall fell, the scene that really grabbed people's attention was people breaking the wall with hammers. And if had to choose a single scene to symbolize the end of the cold war, it would be Yeltsin giving a speech on top of a tank. Applying diplomatic and military pressure to break the Soviet block was not a new thing in the 1980s. The closest it came to succeeding was in 1968. Reforms and the protests didn't lead anywhere at the time, because the USSR had the will and the resources to respond decisively. The situation was different in the late 1980s, thanks to Gorbachev's reforms and Reagan's economic pressure.