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> ... Uh... yeah I would prefer not to have a slave class What do you think we have now, where lower class people need to work to survive? If slavery is having
by NomadicDev 4y ago
> ... Uh... yeah I would prefer not to have a slave class
What do you think we have now, where lower class people need to work to survive? If slavery is having the option between work or death, then I don't see how our current economic setup is not producing slaves. Sure, we don't treat the lower class as property (at least not normally), but they are definitely forced to work under any reasonable definition.
- incrudible 4y agoThe distinction with slavery is being property. Moreover, it is certainly not the case that people who do not work will die in our society. Being forced to do something to survive is not slavery in any meaningful sense of the word. It is the natural state of affairs.
- fsflover 4y agoExcept your "something" is very limited, leaving almost no real choice for many people.
- kortilla 4y agoThe mental contortions people go through to redefine slavery to not mean property when that’s literally the definition is mind boggling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery People are not property and they are most certainly not forced to work. Wanting things and needing money to buy the things you want is not “being forced”.
- spywaregorilla 4y agoWhatever wrongs you may think of the current capitalist / slavery-like conditions exist for the lower class now, they are not nearly as bad as the hypothetical society that relies on large amounts of labor of low wage immigrants who don't have UBI while everyone else does. It's arguably the most regressive fiscal system one can imagine. A class of people who must earn an entire cost of living paycheck to net zero with their non-working, unskilled citizen equivalents.