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> So, in some channel at some time you may be able to see Brad Pitt fighting against Godzilla while the monster is hacking into the pentagon using ssh. Don't k

> So, in some channel at some time you may be able to see Brad Pitt fighting against Godzilla while the monster is hacking into the pentagon using ssh. Don't know if this is sarcasm, if it is, ignore the rest of the comment. Honestly, it sounds terrible. Good shows are well written, coherent and, most of all, narrow in scope. If an AI can write the next Better Call Saul, great. Randomly patching together tropes sounds more like kids drawings, that are interesting on an artistic point of view, maybe, given their limited knowledge of reality and narrative, but terribly boring and confusing as a form of entertainment. Unless the audience is kids, they love that stuff, for reasons we don't understand anymore as we grow up.

bigyikes 4y ago
The point of the quoted remark is to illustrate the exotic possibilities of “Multiverse TV”. It’s not an example of quality content you /would/ watch, it’s merely some content you /could/ watch. Multiverse TV has everything, from Better Call Saul to zany strings of tropes.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  The point is that nonsense "multiverse TV" has been a thing since I can remember watching TV. Endless entertainment it's already there, you can't watch it simply because most of the content you're talking about is not on air and streaming platforms don't buy it, because it's shit. Not that I don't like shit, I've watched more troma/SyFi/random low budget Asian movies (I am a huge fan of ninja movies) than necessary, but if we stop to think that there are already 6 or 7 sharknado movies (that are exactly the kind of endless entertainment you talk about, they are probably generated in some way), maybe it's not the volume of content that's missing, but probably content that's worth watching.
mtkhaos 4y ago
I think you are forgetting that a good portion of social media users are used to short term content.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  I believe there's already a lot more content on social media than time to watch it in 100 lives.
  - visarga 4y ago
    But if you want to see something specific, it's often not there unless you generate it.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > But if you want to see something specific, it's often not there unless you generate it. Example? I don't think I've ever wanted to watch something that only a computer could generate.
idiotsecant 4y ago
Did you read the whole post? Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content. This will absolutely be an enormous thing in the next 10, 20 years and it will lead to a creative revolution in the same way that youtube did - entire genres that do not currently exist will come to fruition by lowering the barriers to entry to a huge number of creators. I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, and I suspect I won't have any trouble finding movies generated using AI as a production tool that I want to watch either.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Did you read the whole post as per HN rule, don't ask this question. > Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content which is exactly the problem we don't have. there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light. > and it will lead to a creative revolution it won't main reason why content is not produced is money. unless you find a way to create an infinite supply of money and an infinite amount of paying audience for that content, more content is a problem, not a solution. > I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, so what's the problem? There's already infinite content out there, what does the "AI" brings to the table that will make any difference, other than marketing, like 3D movies? Have you watched any 3D movie recently?
  - motoxpro 4y ago
    It sounds like you are arguing FOR the GP's idea. "there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light." "main reason why content is not produced is money." So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, and you could put those ideas into a box and spit out a movie that would normally cost millions, that's good right?
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, big chunk of the budget is spent on marketing. if you produce something that nobody watch, it's like the sound of the tree falling where nobody can hear it. if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. Also: Al Pacino will want his money if you use his name, even if he is not actually acting in the movie. Reality is that there's plenty of ideas, true, that would not make any money though. Studios don't like to work at loss. Rick and Morty costs 1.5 million dollars per episode and from what we've heard from director Erica Hayes, a single episode takes anywhere between 9 and 12 months to create from ideation to completion
mrighele 4y ago
> now well written, not coherent, and broad in scope. > randomly patched together tropes Sounds like a dream, not as in what I wish for, but what I experience at night. So, if you think about it like a tool to enable a form of lucid dreaming, it may be something interesting. Of course you have to find a way to get for your brain what you want to see in "real time", but I think we will get there.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > So, if you think about it like a tool to enable a form of lucid dreaming, it may be something interesting. we usually call that tool psychedelic drugs. there are devices being developed for that purpose, I don't think they will ever be reliable, AI is not necessary for that. On the philosophical implications of lucid dreams https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Life https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Life
w-ll 4y ago
Way back in 2019 someone use deepfake tech at the time to change what new lion king could look like. This is what i think some of us are thinking. http://geekdommovies.com/heres-what-the-live-action-lion-king-would-look-like-if-the-cgi-was-closer-to-the-original-animated-movie/ http://geekdommovies.com/heres-what-the-live-action-lion-kin... I have a decently old LG 3d tv that can actually turn 2d into 3d, and its actually a lot of fun to watch certain stuff in 3d mode.
xgkickt 4y ago
Sturgeon’s law will probably end up at 99%
namrog84 4y ago
I think a key piece here is missing. txt2img is quite limited and img2img is really where the power is. With a little intermittent guidance hand of a human. What took 100s or 1000s of people to write, act, record, post process, Better Call Saul might be doable by a a team 1/100th the size possibly even to a single individual. Which means while it might not just instantly spit it out. I'd just like youtube, there will be an incredible amount of great content to watch, far more than anyone could ever realistically watch. And of course there will be lots of utter trash as well. But if it took 100 people to make better call saul and now 100 individuals can make 100x different "better call sauces"

bigyikes 4y ago

The point of the quoted remark is to illustrate the exotic possibilities of “Multiverse TV”. It’s not an example of quality content you /would/ watch, it’s merely some content you /could/ watch. Multiverse TV has everything, from Better Call Saul to zany strings of tropes.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
The point is that nonsense "multiverse TV" has been a thing since I can remember watching TV. Endless entertainment it's already there, you can't watch it simply because most of the content you're talking about is not on air and streaming platforms don't buy it, because it's shit. Not that I don't like shit, I've watched more troma/SyFi/random low budget Asian movies (I am a huge fan of ninja movies) than necessary, but if we stop to think that there are already 6 or 7 sharknado movies (that are exactly the kind of endless entertainment you talk about, they are probably generated in some way), maybe it's not the volume of content that's missing, but probably content that's worth watching.

mtkhaos 4y ago

I think you are forgetting that a good portion of social media users are used to short term content.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
I believe there's already a lot more content on social media than time to watch it in 100 lives.
- visarga 4y ago
  But if you want to see something specific, it's often not there unless you generate it.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > But if you want to see something specific, it's often not there unless you generate it. Example? I don't think I've ever wanted to watch something that only a computer could generate.

idiotsecant 4y ago

Did you read the whole post? Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content. This will absolutely be an enormous thing in the next 10, 20 years and it will lead to a creative revolution in the same way that youtube did - entire genres that do not currently exist will come to fruition by lowering the barriers to entry to a huge number of creators. I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, and I suspect I won't have any trouble finding movies generated using AI as a production tool that I want to watch either.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Did you read the whole post as per HN rule, don't ask this question. > Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content which is exactly the problem we don't have. there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light. > and it will lead to a creative revolution it won't main reason why content is not produced is money. unless you find a way to create an infinite supply of money and an infinite amount of paying audience for that content, more content is a problem, not a solution. > I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, so what's the problem? There's already infinite content out there, what does the "AI" brings to the table that will make any difference, other than marketing, like 3D movies? Have you watched any 3D movie recently?
- motoxpro 4y ago
  It sounds like you are arguing FOR the GP's idea. "there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light." "main reason why content is not produced is money." So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, and you could put those ideas into a box and spit out a movie that would normally cost millions, that's good right?
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, big chunk of the budget is spent on marketing. if you produce something that nobody watch, it's like the sound of the tree falling where nobody can hear it. if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. Also: Al Pacino will want his money if you use his name, even if he is not actually acting in the movie. Reality is that there's plenty of ideas, true, that would not make any money though. Studios don't like to work at loss. Rick and Morty costs 1.5 million dollars per episode and from what we've heard from director Erica Hayes, a single episode takes anywhere between 9 and 12 months to create from ideation to completion

mrighele 4y ago

> now well written, not coherent, and broad in scope. > randomly patched together tropes Sounds like a dream, not as in what I wish for, but what I experience at night. So, if you think about it like a tool to enable a form of lucid dreaming, it may be something interesting. Of course you have to find a way to get for your brain what you want to see in "real time", but I think we will get there.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> So, if you think about it like a tool to enable a form of lucid dreaming, it may be something interesting. we usually call that tool psychedelic drugs. there are devices being developed for that purpose, I don't think they will ever be reliable, AI is not necessary for that. On the philosophical implications of lucid dreams https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Life https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Life

w-ll 4y ago

Way back in 2019 someone use deepfake tech at the time to change what new lion king could look like. This is what i think some of us are thinking. http://geekdommovies.com/heres-what-the-live-action-lion-king-would-look-like-if-the-cgi-was-closer-to-the-original-animated-movie/ http://geekdommovies.com/heres-what-the-live-action-lion-kin... I have a decently old LG 3d tv that can actually turn 2d into 3d, and its actually a lot of fun to watch certain stuff in 3d mode.

xgkickt 4y ago

Sturgeon’s law will probably end up at 99%

namrog84 4y ago

I think a key piece here is missing. txt2img is quite limited and img2img is really where the power is. With a little intermittent guidance hand of a human. What took 100s or 1000s of people to write, act, record, post process, Better Call Saul might be doable by a a team 1/100th the size possibly even to a single individual. Which means while it might not just instantly spit it out. I'd just like youtube, there will be an incredible amount of great content to watch, far more than anyone could ever realistically watch. And of course there will be lots of utter trash as well. But if it took 100 people to make better call saul and now 100 individuals can make 100x different "better call sauces"