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Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Whether it's those "uppity stupid women", o

by quitit 4y ago

Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Whether it's those "uppity stupid women", or gays and trans "getting more rights than us". It's the usual toxic masculinity soup that's easy to drink, but poison nonetheless. In general people aren't keyed into what falls under programming into rightwing extremist views. The formula is simple: make an argument about something that doesn't really matter, make it convincing by cherrypicking the "facts", and glossing over the inconvenient ones - then make it feel pressing and relevant to the audience by citing a [usually exaggerated] example of how this has affected some poor-mans life. It's a process that relies on ignorance, while setting off parts of the brain that lead to attentive behaviour - the exact realisation that facebook also made, hence why they significantly favour anything that gets the "angry" like-response. Joe Rogan isn't alone in this of course. Talk-back radio does it, Reddit does it, 9gag does it - no matter where you go on the internet you'll find a place where you can be angry and scared about something that doesn't affect you one bit. As for the media companies and personalities pushing this: yes they know.

towaway15463 4y ago
We need a new word specifically for these left wing conspiracy theories. The “who radicalized you!” meme comes close but it needs to be shorter.
- quitit 4y ago
  Reflexive heel-digging is indicative of your priorities, i.e. people you don't disagree with aren't conspiracy theorists. This topic is well covered territory and to touch further on the examples I've given: Facebook's own admissions to weighting the angry reaction 5x more than likes is, again, not a conspiracy theory.(1) Also politically what I've written doesn't come under "left wing", it actually doesn't come under any political wing. Trying to turn this into some left/right wing disagreement is only a distraction. Indeed if you're feeling challenged in your views, then maybe the Internet isn't for you. (1)https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/facebook-angry-emoji-algorithm/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/faceboo...
  - towaway15463 4y ago
    What you wrote is a often repeated line from left leaning institutions and people that follow them. I don’t disagree with you but I do disagree with the narrative you’re following.
    - quitit 4y ago
      When one normalises the right wing extremist views, everything is going to look "left wing".
      - soupbowl 4y ago
        It seems these days that everything that is rightwing even a little is considered extremist in left leaning circles.
freetime2 4y ago
> Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Don't people on the left do this too, though? I mean you don't have to look much further than the comments on this story. Joe Rogan is a podcaster - nobody has to listen to him if they don't want to. And I get that he has a wide audience, but the entertainment that other people choose to consume ultimately isn't a very big concern for me and how I choose to live my life. And yet look how controversial the comments are on this fluff piece about what it's like to visit his studio for a day.
- quitit 4y ago
  It’s called the political horseshoe - but it’s exceedingly overweighted on the right wing in the USA. Being external the USA helps provide a reference point that people inside the USA often lack. However the key difference in my point is that people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda.
  - freetime2 4y ago
    I agree that the US has an unhealthy addiction to sensational journalism. And while I agree that it appears to be worse on the right (e.g. "stop the steal" and the ensuing capitol riot), I also find that it's so prevalent in leftwing (e.g. coverage of the Trump/Russia scandal [1]) and even "mainstream" media that it's not really worth trying to frame as a left vs. right issue since it's just what the bulk of Americans are consuming at this point. And I'm not even sure what can be done about it - as you mentioned elsewhere people are actively choosing to be scared and misled by heavily-biased journalism. > people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda. I agree with you in principle here, but one issue I have is who gets to decide which things "actually matter"? I think that if you and I were to compare things that actually matter to us, there might be some irreconcilable differences. [1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-c...
- banannaise 4y ago

by quitit 4y ago

towaway15463 4y ago

We need a new word specifically for these left wing conspiracy theories. The “who radicalized you!” meme comes close but it needs to be shorter.

quitit 4y ago
Reflexive heel-digging is indicative of your priorities, i.e. people you don't disagree with aren't conspiracy theorists. This topic is well covered territory and to touch further on the examples I've given: Facebook's own admissions to weighting the angry reaction 5x more than likes is, again, not a conspiracy theory.(1) Also politically what I've written doesn't come under "left wing", it actually doesn't come under any political wing. Trying to turn this into some left/right wing disagreement is only a distraction. Indeed if you're feeling challenged in your views, then maybe the Internet isn't for you. (1)https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/facebook-angry-emoji-algorithm/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/faceboo...
- towaway15463 4y ago
  What you wrote is a often repeated line from left leaning institutions and people that follow them. I don’t disagree with you but I do disagree with the narrative you’re following.
  - quitit 4y ago
    When one normalises the right wing extremist views, everything is going to look "left wing".
    - soupbowl 4y ago
      It seems these days that everything that is rightwing even a little is considered extremist in left leaning circles.

freetime2 4y ago

> Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Don't people on the left do this too, though? I mean you don't have to look much further than the comments on this story. Joe Rogan is a podcaster - nobody has to listen to him if they don't want to. And I get that he has a wide audience, but the entertainment that other people choose to consume ultimately isn't a very big concern for me and how I choose to live my life. And yet look how controversial the comments are on this fluff piece about what it's like to visit his studio for a day.

quitit 4y ago
It’s called the political horseshoe - but it’s exceedingly overweighted on the right wing in the USA. Being external the USA helps provide a reference point that people inside the USA often lack. However the key difference in my point is that people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda.
- freetime2 4y ago
  I agree that the US has an unhealthy addiction to sensational journalism. And while I agree that it appears to be worse on the right (e.g. "stop the steal" and the ensuing capitol riot), I also find that it's so prevalent in leftwing (e.g. coverage of the Trump/Russia scandal [1]) and even "mainstream" media that it's not really worth trying to frame as a left vs. right issue since it's just what the bulk of Americans are consuming at this point. And I'm not even sure what can be done about it - as you mentioned elsewhere people are actively choosing to be scared and misled by heavily-biased journalism. > people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda. I agree with you in principle here, but one issue I have is who gets to decide which things "actually matter"? I think that if you and I were to compare things that actually matter to us, there might be some irreconcilable differences. [1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-c...
banannaise 4y ago