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As the Russian, I'm of the opinion that Gorbachev is traitor. I hate communism, so it's good that he helped us to get rid of that. But why getting rid of comm

As the Russian, I'm of the opinion that Gorbachev is traitor. I hate communism, so it's good that he helped us to get rid of that. But why getting rid of communism had to include letting Americans to take reign in many government agencies of Russia? What would be your opinion of US president, if he goes to to retire in Russia? I'm reading some Russian news site, and almost universally Gorbachev is hated by Russians.

alliao 4y ago
what are his chances living to this ripe old age if he had stayed? i don't think he had a spectacular life in the US either, just became a normal bloke
- xg15 4y ago
  I still think the gp's question is relevant: > What would be your opinion of US president, if he goes to to retire in Russia?
giantrobot 4y ago
> But why getting rid of communism had to include letting Americans to take reign in many government agencies of Russia? Wow. Such a claim. I'm sure you have mountains of examples of this happening just one time.
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- rossmohax 4y ago
  Harvard Boys: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russia/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russ...
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    How is that the US "running" Russian government agencies?
MichaelCollins 4y ago
> letting Americans to take reign in many government agencies of Russia? I haven't heard of Americans taking on leadership roles in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. Do you have any examples, or sources about this?
jaza 4y ago
Are you suggesting that Gorbachev went to retire in the US? He travelled extensively to the US and elsewhere, but as far as I know he only ever lived in Russia.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  When the topic of Palo Alto came up, ex-Soviets seemed to think that's where Gorbachev lived.
DFHippie 4y ago
> What would be your opinion of US president, if he goes to to retire in Russia? Did Gorbachev retire outside Russia? I wasn't aware of this. He died in Moscow. The last time I heard about him before this was when he attended an RT event in Moscow (which was also attended by Jill Stein and Michael Flynn). Where outside Russia did he retire? Why did he leave this place to die in a Russian hospital? Your comment leads one to infer he retired to the US. > I'm reading some Russian news site, and almost universally Gorbachev is hated by Russians. Russian news sites are notable lately for not allowing the free expression of Russian opinions, so what they show you may not be representative. I'm not saying you're wrong but that Russian news sites aren't great evidence that you're right.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  >Russian news sites are notable lately for not allowing the free expression of Russian opinions, so what they show you may not be representative. I'm not saying you're wrong but that Russian news sites aren't great evidence that you're right. There is no one in Russia who wouldn't piss on his grave if given the chance.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  When the topic of Palo Alto came up, ex-Soviets seemed to think that's where Gorbachev lived.
Barrin92 4y ago
perfectly understandable sentiment, the guy debased himself so much he turned up in a literal pizza hut commercial. (https://youtu.be/fgm14D1jHUw https://youtu.be/fgm14D1jHUw). As a rule of thumb, the popularity of any foreign leader in the American press is a pretty good measurement of how eagerly they're willing to drive their own countries into submission.
wiseowise 4y ago
> I'm reading some Russian news site, and almost universally Gorbachev is hated by Russians. Lumpen population hates what they don’t understand, news at 11.
magic_quotes 4y ago
As a yet another filthy Russian, I don't understand all this eagerness to give people "traitor" (enemy of the people, 5th column and so on) labels. Especially since this is pretty much the favorite communist/putinist activity. This is not a healthy mindset. At some point we'll have to admit different people might have different opinions on running the country.

alliao 4y ago

what are his chances living to this ripe old age if he had stayed? i don't think he had a spectacular life in the US either, just became a normal bloke

xg15 4y ago
I still think the gp's question is relevant: > What would be your opinion of US president, if he goes to to retire in Russia?

giantrobot 4y ago

> But why getting rid of communism had to include letting Americans to take reign in many government agencies of Russia? Wow. Such a claim. I'm sure you have mountains of examples of this happening just one time.

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rossmohax 4y ago
Harvard Boys: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russia/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russ...
- giantrobot 4y ago
  How is that the US "running" Russian government agencies?

MichaelCollins 4y ago

> letting Americans to take reign in many government agencies of Russia? I haven't heard of Americans taking on leadership roles in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. Do you have any examples, or sources about this?

jaza 4y ago

Are you suggesting that Gorbachev went to retire in the US? He travelled extensively to the US and elsewhere, but as far as I know he only ever lived in Russia.

throwaway_4ever 4y ago
When the topic of Palo Alto came up, ex-Soviets seemed to think that's where Gorbachev lived.

DFHippie 4y ago

> What would be your opinion of US president, if he goes to to retire in Russia? Did Gorbachev retire outside Russia? I wasn't aware of this. He died in Moscow. The last time I heard about him before this was when he attended an RT event in Moscow (which was also attended by Jill Stein and Michael Flynn). Where outside Russia did he retire? Why did he leave this place to die in a Russian hospital? Your comment leads one to infer he retired to the US. > I'm reading some Russian news site, and almost universally Gorbachev is hated by Russians. Russian news sites are notable lately for not allowing the free expression of Russian opinions, so what they show you may not be representative. I'm not saying you're wrong but that Russian news sites aren't great evidence that you're right.

thrown_22 4y ago
>Russian news sites are notable lately for not allowing the free expression of Russian opinions, so what they show you may not be representative. I'm not saying you're wrong but that Russian news sites aren't great evidence that you're right. There is no one in Russia who wouldn't piss on his grave if given the chance.
throwaway_4ever 4y ago
When the topic of Palo Alto came up, ex-Soviets seemed to think that's where Gorbachev lived.

Barrin92 4y ago

perfectly understandable sentiment, the guy debased himself so much he turned up in a literal pizza hut commercial. (https://youtu.be/fgm14D1jHUw https://youtu.be/fgm14D1jHUw). As a rule of thumb, the popularity of any foreign leader in the American press is a pretty good measurement of how eagerly they're willing to drive their own countries into submission.

wiseowise 4y ago

> I'm reading some Russian news site, and almost universally Gorbachev is hated by Russians. Lumpen population hates what they don’t understand, news at 11.

magic_quotes 4y ago

As a yet another filthy Russian, I don't understand all this eagerness to give people "traitor" (enemy of the people, 5th column and so on) labels. Especially since this is pretty much the favorite communist/putinist activity. This is not a healthy mindset. At some point we'll have to admit different people might have different opinions on running the country.