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The point is that people are not obligated, period. This obligation thing is just an attempt at trying to find fault with actions that are completely reasonabl

The point is that people are not obligated, period. This obligation thing is just an attempt at trying to find fault with actions that are completely reasonable. As for your question, I've already explained the context around Jon Stewart and I have no interest in a culture war.

jrochkind1 4y ago
> The point is that people are not obligated, period. People? Period? If you truly don't think journalists and political leaders, among others, have a responsibility to behave responsibly with the truth and their methods, and that people are right to expect that of them and evaluate them on it... Then I guess we have enough of a different worldview that communication is indeed difficult. I'm not sure what makes something a culture war to you. I am a leftist critisizing both Joe Rogan and Jon Stewart. My problem with Jon Stewart is not with his politics, which I largely agree with. To me, a culture war approach is more thinking that you must pick a side and then insist those on the other side are without virtue and those on yours without flaw -- I am also not interested in that.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  You've changed your stance here, before it was that someone is obligated if people believed something about them, now it's that they're obligated if they call themselves a certain thing. One almost begins to suspect this is all a front for disliking Jon Stewart ;) You have a good day.
  - jrochkind1 4y ago
    I do not in fact dislike Jon Stewart. I don't know him personally, but I am capable of critiquing people I also think have done positive things, which I think he has. It is unclear to me if you are -- that's the culture war, indeed, thinking that everyone must be either all bad or all good. I do not believe I have changed my stance at all, this is something i have spent some time thinking about and have a thing I think about it. But ok.
    - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
      The worst are the ones who believe themselves to be objective as you'll never get them to consider that they have a bias. It's like the people who claim to hate drama but are always surrounded by it. And of course you've thought about Jon Stewart a lot, that's obvious.

jrochkind1 4y ago

> The point is that people are not obligated, period. People? Period? If you truly don't think journalists and political leaders, among others, have a responsibility to behave responsibly with the truth and their methods, and that people are right to expect that of them and evaluate them on it... Then I guess we have enough of a different worldview that communication is indeed difficult. I'm not sure what makes something a culture war to you. I am a leftist critisizing both Joe Rogan and Jon Stewart. My problem with Jon Stewart is not with his politics, which I largely agree with. To me, a culture war approach is more thinking that you must pick a side and then insist those on the other side are without virtue and those on yours without flaw -- I am also not interested in that.

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
You've changed your stance here, before it was that someone is obligated if people believed something about them, now it's that they're obligated if they call themselves a certain thing. One almost begins to suspect this is all a front for disliking Jon Stewart ;) You have a good day.
- jrochkind1 4y ago
  I do not in fact dislike Jon Stewart. I don't know him personally, but I am capable of critiquing people I also think have done positive things, which I think he has. It is unclear to me if you are -- that's the culture war, indeed, thinking that everyone must be either all bad or all good. I do not believe I have changed my stance at all, this is something i have spent some time thinking about and have a thing I think about it. But ok.
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    The worst are the ones who believe themselves to be objective as you'll never get them to consider that they have a bias. It's like the people who claim to hate drama but are always surrounded by it. And of course you've thought about Jon Stewart a lot, that's obvious.