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Enforcing puritan language just makes you the new butt of jokes. You may think you're changing hearts and minds, but all of them are just humouring you like we

Enforcing puritan language just makes you the new butt of jokes. You may think you're changing hearts and minds, but all of them are just humouring you like we humour kids having a temper tantrum. Independent minds, the ones that count, don't humour though, they will always just double down and use the language you hate further just to enrage you, because fuck you - really - who are you to tell me what to say and what to do? Ironically, the words you hate are now even more venomous and powerful in my hand because you fear and censor them so much. You just reinvented a worse religion, all the uptightness and self-righteousness with none of the community or the forgiveness.

tootie 4y ago
"Independent minds, the ones that count, don't humour though, they will always just double down and use the language you hate further just to enrage you, because fuck you" That's incredibly immature. You're basically admitting that your position is just spite. And no one is telling what you can and can't say. Continue speaking however you please. The younger generation are just telling you they won't like it. And no one is obligated to like what you say. It's the same sort of generational divide that's always been around. And history says the new generation almost always wins.
- Banana699 4y ago
  One man's immaturity is another man's "having a spine to stand up for oneself". Spite is awesome, I wish people had more spite in them, without spite you're just a chicken following whatever the nest is crying about, which is the sorry state of most of humanity most of the time. Your delusions of a monolithic 'younger generation' on the 'right side of history' inevitably triumphing are pathetic. Not how history works, not how reality is; Prime counterexample include me for a start.
  - tootie 4y ago
    I started this thread with an honest personal observation. Your responses are really inappropriate and based on flawed reasoning. You say I'm generalizing because I only observed a small cohort of kids and yet your counterexample is just yourself? And that we should resist change because it's good to be spiteful? You've basically set the goal posts as being "whatever feels right to me" which makes for a pretty pointless debate.
    - Banana699 4y ago
      My counterexample list is not just myself, that's just the first and most obvious element. There is no point to listing all the people that hate your newfound religion despite being from the 'younger generation', almost everybody hates this shit, probably including your kids as well. A free man should resist anything, whether it's a change or the status quo, if it's pushed by self-serving bullies and pathetic status seekers. The dominant religion where I live is 1400+ years old, it's a moral and intellectual disease embraced only by the scum and the naive. I'm not being extra hard on your religion because it's good to be spiteful, this is just how I treat most religions. It's good to be spiteful to religions and their followers because that's what they deserve most.
      - tootie 4y ago
        That's still just personal attacks. Any movement is going to have noisy attention seekers getting attention. If you watch cable news have a debate about a social issue you're guaranteed to get the worst, loudest people who like having debates on TV. I've never yelled at anyone for misgendering or anything like that, but I absolutely understand and support it. And absolutely not because it's a popular movement, but because I agree with it on an intellectual level as the right thing to do. Something you haven't even addressed. I'm assuming your 1400 year old religion is based on dogma, mythology, rituals and is of course based on 1400 year old sensibility that hasn't evolved. I don't follow any ancient religion because there's no rational basis for 99% of what they teach. Speaking to people with respect whether they demand it or not seems like a perfectly rational thing to do that doesn't require a leap of faith.
        Banana699 4y ago
        I wasn't engaging in personal attacks, it's what I sincerely think of religions and their followers. What good is niceness when it's not sincere? Would you prefer if I pretended to like or respect you or your ideology while secretly despising you like the plague? Your religion involves far more than "treating people with respect", this is such a pathetically false and cowardly phrase that all religions try to hide behind under various formulations. Your religion involves revering a certain class of people and elevating them above the rest of us and agreeing to every bullshit they make up or risk the consequences for dissent, made abundantly clear by repeated examples. I.e, just a standard old delusion, but with new words. I don't despise any religion for faith, I despise ideologies for authoritarianism. Your religion, just as the 1400 year old disease I was raised on before I knew any better, is the authoritarian ploy currently in fashion to destroy lives and bend free wills. You support it, you kneel to it, you are happy your kids are absorbing your delusions before they know any better, and that makes you an authoritarian. You and the rest of your religion deserves nothing but contempt and sneering. Having said that, I have to admit I don't actually know what do you actually hope to accomplish by replying to me? Knowing why I despise your kind of believers? I made that very clear. What else?

tootie 4y ago

"Independent minds, the ones that count, don't humour though, they will always just double down and use the language you hate further just to enrage you, because fuck you" That's incredibly immature. You're basically admitting that your position is just spite. And no one is telling what you can and can't say. Continue speaking however you please. The younger generation are just telling you they won't like it. And no one is obligated to like what you say. It's the same sort of generational divide that's always been around. And history says the new generation almost always wins.

Banana699 4y ago
One man's immaturity is another man's "having a spine to stand up for oneself". Spite is awesome, I wish people had more spite in them, without spite you're just a chicken following whatever the nest is crying about, which is the sorry state of most of humanity most of the time. Your delusions of a monolithic 'younger generation' on the 'right side of history' inevitably triumphing are pathetic. Not how history works, not how reality is; Prime counterexample include me for a start.
- tootie 4y ago
  I started this thread with an honest personal observation. Your responses are really inappropriate and based on flawed reasoning. You say I'm generalizing because I only observed a small cohort of kids and yet your counterexample is just yourself? And that we should resist change because it's good to be spiteful? You've basically set the goal posts as being "whatever feels right to me" which makes for a pretty pointless debate.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    My counterexample list is not just myself, that's just the first and most obvious element. There is no point to listing all the people that hate your newfound religion despite being from the 'younger generation', almost everybody hates this shit, probably including your kids as well. A free man should resist anything, whether it's a change or the status quo, if it's pushed by self-serving bullies and pathetic status seekers. The dominant religion where I live is 1400+ years old, it's a moral and intellectual disease embraced only by the scum and the naive. I'm not being extra hard on your religion because it's good to be spiteful, this is just how I treat most religions. It's good to be spiteful to religions and their followers because that's what they deserve most.
    - tootie 4y ago
      That's still just personal attacks. Any movement is going to have noisy attention seekers getting attention. If you watch cable news have a debate about a social issue you're guaranteed to get the worst, loudest people who like having debates on TV. I've never yelled at anyone for misgendering or anything like that, but I absolutely understand and support it. And absolutely not because it's a popular movement, but because I agree with it on an intellectual level as the right thing to do. Something you haven't even addressed. I'm assuming your 1400 year old religion is based on dogma, mythology, rituals and is of course based on 1400 year old sensibility that hasn't evolved. I don't follow any ancient religion because there's no rational basis for 99% of what they teach. Speaking to people with respect whether they demand it or not seems like a perfectly rational thing to do that doesn't require a leap of faith.
      - Banana699 4y ago
        I wasn't engaging in personal attacks, it's what I sincerely think of religions and their followers. What good is niceness when it's not sincere? Would you prefer if I pretended to like or respect you or your ideology while secretly despising you like the plague? Your religion involves far more than "treating people with respect", this is such a pathetically false and cowardly phrase that all religions try to hide behind under various formulations. Your religion involves revering a certain class of people and elevating them above the rest of us and agreeing to every bullshit they make up or risk the consequences for dissent, made abundantly clear by repeated examples. I.e, just a standard old delusion, but with new words. I don't despise any religion for faith, I despise ideologies for authoritarianism. Your religion, just as the 1400 year old disease I was raised on before I knew any better, is the authoritarian ploy currently in fashion to destroy lives and bend free wills. You support it, you kneel to it, you are happy your kids are absorbing your delusions before they know any better, and that makes you an authoritarian. You and the rest of your religion deserves nothing but contempt and sneering. Having said that, I have to admit I don't actually know what do you actually hope to accomplish by replying to me? Knowing why I despise your kind of believers? I made that very clear. What else?