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You don't even have to go deep into the archives to feel uncomfortable with this whole world's treatment of gender issues. Directly from this article: >At a lo

by slg 4y ago

You don't even have to go deep into the archives to feel uncomfortable with this whole world's treatment of gender issues. Directly from this article: >At a long desk in the big main room sits an attractive nurse. She offers us an enhancer of B12 or NAD+, through a shot or an IV. >I get a shot of NAD+, which is supposed to be good for energy and metabolism. NAD stands for Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide, and I don’t know what the + is. (Actually, I don’t know what any of it is, but the nurse said she takes it, and if you saw this woman, you too would ask for a shot of whatever she’s on.) What are we supposed to take away from this? Is this nurse actually trained for this? If so, isn't the author completely dismissing that training because the nurse is attractive? If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? Neither option is great. And this was written by the VP of Communication for Substack and is approved by Rogan. This isn't some unauthorized look behind the scenes. This is what they want to advertise. It just gives me the creeps.

ryanisnan 4y ago
Yeah, I don't know if this article is a great look for Substack. Sounds like the author at least suffers from FOMO and falling prey to peer-pressure.
Shank 4y ago
> If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? > Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) is a coenzyme central to metabolism. Found in all living cells, NAD is called a dinucleotide because it consists of two nucleotides joined through their phosphate groups...NAD exists in two forms: an oxidized and reduced form, abbreviated as NAD+ and NADH (H for hydrogen), respectively. [0] It's worth noting that NAD+ is well-known. Artificial supplementation I'm not so sure about, but it's inside you already. I...somehow doubt they're just injecting raw NAD+ but I suppose it could be? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleotide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleot...
- slg 4y ago
  Cyanide is also well-known and probably inside me already and yet I wouldn't be happy with someone injecting it directly into me. I don't really care about the specifics of what they are injecting. I am objecting to how they are pressuring people, perhaps unintentionally, in the moment to accept the injection of a substance in which the injectee admits they don't understand. It is especially ironic considering Rogan's various comments about vaccines. Thousands of doctors can tell me that the COVID vaccine is safe and I am supposed to doubt them. One nurse tells me NAD+ is safe and I am supposed to believe her.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    > I am objecting to how they are pressuring people, perhaps unintentionally, in the moment to accept the injection of a substance in which the injectee admits they don't understand. I am just guess of course, but I am pretty sure anyone able to achieve a CEO or VP title of a well known internet media company probably has the ability and determination to say the words “no thank you” if they don’t want something injected into their body when asked. I am neither a CEO or a VP of an internet media company, but just a normal dude, and I have no problem telling someone “no”. Honestly have really reached that place where HN commenters feel that we have to protect wealthy and successful adults from big bad podcasting boogeymen?
    - slg 4y ago
      >Honestly have really reached that place where HN commenters feel that we have to protect wealthy and successful adults from big bad podcasting boogeymen? Have we reached the place in which empathy must be conditional? I can feel bad for people who are put in an uncomfortable situation regardless of their level of success. Angelina Jolie might have won an Oscar, have hundreds of millions in the bank, and was able to turn down his advances, but I will still feel empathy for her for being the target of Harvey Weinstein's sexual harassment. Rich and successful people are still people.
      - kcplate 4y ago
rib3ye 4y ago
FYI, the author is female, so I believe this qualifies as a "female perspective".
- slg 4y ago
  The author wasn't a mystery to me. I mentioned her by her title. Misogyny isn't limited to men. Many women who run in male dominated worlds such as tech and comedy will often use misogyny as a shield to let the men around them know she is one of the cool ones. This is not an accusation against the author's character. Like I said in my original comment, I don't know what she is trying to say with that comment. Although I guess that is its own accusation. Maybe the VP of Communication isn't great at her job if I don't understand what she is trying to communicate.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    Yeah, that line stood out to me as well in exactly the same way. From reading it I think besides the "I'm one of the cool ones" effect she's doing a bit of if by whiskey. Even when she's criticizing Rogan et all she does it in a way they're likely to just be even more proud of.
  - rib3ye 4y ago
    The way I read it, she was very clearly communicating the nurse was full of vitality.
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    "Women better act the way I expect them to act or else they are misogynistic" sounds about as misogynistic as one can get.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Asking one person to speak for a group is a quick way to arrive at personal bias.
JamesBarney 4y ago
> What are we supposed to take away from this? Is this nurse actually trained for this? This a nurse not a metabolism researcher, she might know a fuck ton about NAD+ but it wouldn't be because she's a nurse. Most medical professionals (especially nurses) are trained on the delivery of medical care, not necessarily the ins and outs of supplements.
- slg 4y ago
  Is that supposed to make the situation better? I believe there is an inverse relationship between this person's knowledge of NAD+ and the creepiness of Rogan having her offer it to guests. Can this person speak to why someone should get this injection or answer questions about the side effects or potential negative interactions this could have with other drugs? I think that is basic knowledge a qualified nurse would normally have when administering care. Not having someone on site to speak to this would make Rogan's offering of the injections creepy in my opinion.
  - JamesBarney 4y ago
    CBD has way more interactions than NAD but I don't expect my barista to be able to know all of them off the top of her head just because she's selling me a cookie with it in it. It's a nurse, who's giving you a shot of you want it of a supplement that may or may not do anything.
PeterisP 4y ago
Well no, the way I read is quite literal without anything misogynistic - if a person is saying that they personally take X to affect their body, then the appearance of their body is some (weak but still) evidence about what effect X has, and the decision of whether you want to imitate their actions is influenced by whether you want to look like they do, whether the results they're getting seem worth imitating. The author was apparently considering that personal experience as a user of that product (and the visible outcome) was more relevant than whatever some specialist would have read about it. Like, for an example of the opposite gender, if someone you trust says they did a particular treatment to fix male pattern baldness, then it seems reasonable to put some weight in their personal experience and how their hair looks after the treatment, especially if you don't trust the official descriptions/PR/advertising claims, then even small amounts of anecdotal but real evidence might seem more valuable.
- slg 4y ago
  What you describe is fundamental to advertising. Your specific example was literally a decades long advertising campaign, "I'm not only the Hair Club president, I'm also a client."[1] I'm not going to buy a pair of shoes just because Michael Jordan wears them. The shoes aren't the reason he was good at basketball and there is no reason to believe this nurse was attractive because of these injections. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFoLdeqG1I&t=55s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFoLdeqG1I&t=55s

by slg 4y ago

ryanisnan 4y ago

Yeah, I don't know if this article is a great look for Substack. Sounds like the author at least suffers from FOMO and falling prey to peer-pressure.

Shank 4y ago

> If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? > Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) is a coenzyme central to metabolism. Found in all living cells, NAD is called a dinucleotide because it consists of two nucleotides joined through their phosphate groups...NAD exists in two forms: an oxidized and reduced form, abbreviated as NAD+ and NADH (H for hydrogen), respectively. [0] It's worth noting that NAD+ is well-known. Artificial supplementation I'm not so sure about, but it's inside you already. I...somehow doubt they're just injecting raw NAD+ but I suppose it could be? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleotide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleot...

slg 4y ago
Cyanide is also well-known and probably inside me already and yet I wouldn't be happy with someone injecting it directly into me. I don't really care about the specifics of what they are injecting. I am objecting to how they are pressuring people, perhaps unintentionally, in the moment to accept the injection of a substance in which the injectee admits they don't understand. It is especially ironic considering Rogan's various comments about vaccines. Thousands of doctors can tell me that the COVID vaccine is safe and I am supposed to doubt them. One nurse tells me NAD+ is safe and I am supposed to believe her.
- kcplate 4y ago
  > I am objecting to how they are pressuring people, perhaps unintentionally, in the moment to accept the injection of a substance in which the injectee admits they don't understand. I am just guess of course, but I am pretty sure anyone able to achieve a CEO or VP title of a well known internet media company probably has the ability and determination to say the words “no thank you” if they don’t want something injected into their body when asked. I am neither a CEO or a VP of an internet media company, but just a normal dude, and I have no problem telling someone “no”. Honestly have really reached that place where HN commenters feel that we have to protect wealthy and successful adults from big bad podcasting boogeymen?
  - slg 4y ago
    >Honestly have really reached that place where HN commenters feel that we have to protect wealthy and successful adults from big bad podcasting boogeymen? Have we reached the place in which empathy must be conditional? I can feel bad for people who are put in an uncomfortable situation regardless of their level of success. Angelina Jolie might have won an Oscar, have hundreds of millions in the bank, and was able to turn down his advances, but I will still feel empathy for her for being the target of Harvey Weinstein's sexual harassment. Rich and successful people are still people.
    - kcplate 4y ago

rib3ye 4y ago

FYI, the author is female, so I believe this qualifies as a "female perspective".

slg 4y ago
The author wasn't a mystery to me. I mentioned her by her title. Misogyny isn't limited to men. Many women who run in male dominated worlds such as tech and comedy will often use misogyny as a shield to let the men around them know she is one of the cool ones. This is not an accusation against the author's character. Like I said in my original comment, I don't know what she is trying to say with that comment. Although I guess that is its own accusation. Maybe the VP of Communication isn't great at her job if I don't understand what she is trying to communicate.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  Yeah, that line stood out to me as well in exactly the same way. From reading it I think besides the "I'm one of the cool ones" effect she's doing a bit of if by whiskey. Even when she's criticizing Rogan et all she does it in a way they're likely to just be even more proud of.
- rib3ye 4y ago
  The way I read it, she was very clearly communicating the nurse was full of vitality.
- iinnPP 4y ago
  "Women better act the way I expect them to act or else they are misogynistic" sounds about as misogynistic as one can get.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
Asking one person to speak for a group is a quick way to arrive at personal bias.

JamesBarney 4y ago

> What are we supposed to take away from this? Is this nurse actually trained for this? This a nurse not a metabolism researcher, she might know a fuck ton about NAD+ but it wouldn't be because she's a nurse. Most medical professionals (especially nurses) are trained on the delivery of medical care, not necessarily the ins and outs of supplements.

slg 4y ago
Is that supposed to make the situation better? I believe there is an inverse relationship between this person's knowledge of NAD+ and the creepiness of Rogan having her offer it to guests. Can this person speak to why someone should get this injection or answer questions about the side effects or potential negative interactions this could have with other drugs? I think that is basic knowledge a qualified nurse would normally have when administering care. Not having someone on site to speak to this would make Rogan's offering of the injections creepy in my opinion.
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  CBD has way more interactions than NAD but I don't expect my barista to be able to know all of them off the top of her head just because she's selling me a cookie with it in it. It's a nurse, who's giving you a shot of you want it of a supplement that may or may not do anything.

PeterisP 4y ago

Well no, the way I read is quite literal without anything misogynistic - if a person is saying that they personally take X to affect their body, then the appearance of their body is some (weak but still) evidence about what effect X has, and the decision of whether you want to imitate their actions is influenced by whether you want to look like they do, whether the results they're getting seem worth imitating. The author was apparently considering that personal experience as a user of that product (and the visible outcome) was more relevant than whatever some specialist would have read about it. Like, for an example of the opposite gender, if someone you trust says they did a particular treatment to fix male pattern baldness, then it seems reasonable to put some weight in their personal experience and how their hair looks after the treatment, especially if you don't trust the official descriptions/PR/advertising claims, then even small amounts of anecdotal but real evidence might seem more valuable.

slg 4y ago
What you describe is fundamental to advertising. Your specific example was literally a decades long advertising campaign, "I'm not only the Hair Club president, I'm also a client."[1] I'm not going to buy a pair of shoes just because Michael Jordan wears them. The shoes aren't the reason he was good at basketball and there is no reason to believe this nurse was attractive because of these injections. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFoLdeqG1I&t=55s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFoLdeqG1I&t=55s