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And both of them have daughters (only). There's a possibility it's a schtick from Diaz, he has this absurd persona, but still in bad taste if so.

lossolo 4y ago
> And both of them have daughters (only) I don't think this is really relevant, I know plenty of people that will joke in the same way about other women besides their daughters and mothers.
- jjulius 4y ago
  Maybe I'm getting off on a tangent here, but I have two daughters and I truly don't understand the idea that it's completely fine for sexually-degrading jokes to be made about every single woman except my wife/daughter/mother. If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. To me, that's a really shitty thing to do as a parent; we should be leading by example. And that's without addressing the fact that Diaz' comment is potentially rooted in truth...
  - lossolo 4y ago
    > If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. In my experience (from observations) most of those people do not think the way you do, and if someone will say something like that to their daughters/mothers they will want to just fuck him up. > It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. They see that already pretty clearly I think. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in, patriarchal world where by the law all genders should be equal but in reality men make more money than woman in same position, leadership positions are dominated by men, if a woman had a lot of partners some people will call her slut but in case of men they call him playboy etc. Double standards are everywhere around us.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      Agreed. I'm just asking people to be better.
_n_b_ 4y ago
Even if that’s true, Ken White’s Rule or Goats applies: “[s]lightly paraphrased — for this family newspaper — the rule states: If you kiss a goat, even if you say you’re doing it ironically, you’re still a goat-kisser.”
- lifeisstillgood 4y ago
  That's a really useful expression - thank you and Ken White
  - hirvi74 4y ago
    It actually derives from an older and more crass joke. Said joke has been slightly modified in many different forms, but here is an example: (Warning -- Potentially Not Safe For Work) https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_at_the_bar_heavy_npr_listeners_might/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_a...
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  If you say you are kissing a goat, but never actually kiss a goat are you still a goat kisser?
- simonswords82 4y ago
  It's actually if you fuck a goat...

lossolo 4y ago

> And both of them have daughters (only) I don't think this is really relevant, I know plenty of people that will joke in the same way about other women besides their daughters and mothers.

jjulius 4y ago
Maybe I'm getting off on a tangent here, but I have two daughters and I truly don't understand the idea that it's completely fine for sexually-degrading jokes to be made about every single woman except my wife/daughter/mother. If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. To me, that's a really shitty thing to do as a parent; we should be leading by example. And that's without addressing the fact that Diaz' comment is potentially rooted in truth...
- lossolo 4y ago
  > If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. In my experience (from observations) most of those people do not think the way you do, and if someone will say something like that to their daughters/mothers they will want to just fuck him up. > It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. They see that already pretty clearly I think. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in, patriarchal world where by the law all genders should be equal but in reality men make more money than woman in same position, leadership positions are dominated by men, if a woman had a lot of partners some people will call her slut but in case of men they call him playboy etc. Double standards are everywhere around us.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Agreed. I'm just asking people to be better.

_n_b_ 4y ago

Even if that’s true, Ken White’s Rule or Goats applies: “[s]lightly paraphrased — for this family newspaper — the rule states: If you kiss a goat, even if you say you’re doing it ironically, you’re still a goat-kisser.”

lifeisstillgood 4y ago
That's a really useful expression - thank you and Ken White
- hirvi74 4y ago
  It actually derives from an older and more crass joke. Said joke has been slightly modified in many different forms, but here is an example: (Warning -- Potentially Not Safe For Work) https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_at_the_bar_heavy_npr_listeners_might/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_a...
_-david-_ 4y ago
If you say you are kissing a goat, but never actually kiss a goat are you still a goat kisser?
simonswords82 4y ago
It's actually if you fuck a goat...