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I'm not going to bother digging up the clip cuz it's easy to find, but it pretty much tells you what you need to know about Rogan. It's him talking to Joe Diaz

I'm not going to bother digging up the clip cuz it's easy to find, but it pretty much tells you what you need to know about Rogan. It's him talking to Joe Diaz, where Diaz is bragging about how when he was the manager at Laugh Factory he wouldn't book female comics unless they sucked his dick. Rogan asks him how many women he did this to and Diaz says a dozen or something, and Rogan starts hyena laughing like it's the funniest thing he's ever heard. Rogan gets some great guests on, but don't be fooled by his "aw schucks I'm just a bro asking questions" act. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's a lot more predatory than his on camera character. Something to consider before you associate your brand with him. Probably better to find an up and rising podcast. Edit: freetime2 dug up the clip below and it's even worse than I recalled.

gsatic 4y ago
This gens Charlie Rose I guess.
Keyframe 4y ago
And both of them have daughters (only). There's a possibility it's a schtick from Diaz, he has this absurd persona, but still in bad taste if so.
- lossolo 4y ago
  > And both of them have daughters (only) I don't think this is really relevant, I know plenty of people that will joke in the same way about other women besides their daughters and mothers.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Maybe I'm getting off on a tangent here, but I have two daughters and I truly don't understand the idea that it's completely fine for sexually-degrading jokes to be made about every single woman except my wife/daughter/mother. If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. To me, that's a really shitty thing to do as a parent; we should be leading by example. And that's without addressing the fact that Diaz' comment is potentially rooted in truth...
    - lossolo 4y ago
      > If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. In my experience (from observations) most of those people do not think the way you do, and if someone will say something like that to their daughters/mothers they will want to just fuck him up. > It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. They see that already pretty clearly I think. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in, patriarchal world where by the law all genders should be equal but in reality men make more money than woman in same position, leadership positions are dominated by men, if a woman had a lot of partners some people will call her slut but in case of men they call him playboy etc. Double standards are everywhere around us.
      - jjulius 4y ago
        Agreed. I'm just asking people to be better.
- _n_b_ 4y ago
  Even if that’s true, Ken White’s Rule or Goats applies: “[s]lightly paraphrased — for this family newspaper — the rule states: If you kiss a goat, even if you say you’re doing it ironically, you’re still a goat-kisser.”
  - lifeisstillgood 4y ago
    That's a really useful expression - thank you and Ken White
    - hirvi74 4y ago
      It actually derives from an older and more crass joke. Said joke has been slightly modified in many different forms, but here is an example: (Warning -- Potentially Not Safe For Work) https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_at_the_bar_heavy_npr_listeners_might/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_a...
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    If you say you are kissing a goat, but never actually kiss a goat are you still a goat kisser?
  - simonswords82 4y ago
    It's actually if you fuck a goat...
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- ALittleLight 4y ago
  Well, there are "scolds" and there are people who think it's bad to compel female employees or contractors to have sex with their boss.
  - at_a_remove 4y ago
    Hunter S. Thompson was able to interview Nixon, despite a kind of hatred he held for the man that was nearly blinding. If you want to get people to let their guard down, be agreeable. Draw them out. Smile and nod. Let them hang themselves with their own words. That's a journalistic skill. If you just want to be angry at them, well, write a letter. Yell at them at the phone. With that in mind, is he there to 1) Let his guests know how much he agrees or disagrees with them? 2) Get them to say whatever and find out who they really are?
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      That's not at all what happened between Rogan and Diaz. Diaz tells the story of the time he borderline raped a woman repeatedly to the extent she became depressed and defeated, and Rogan laughs along like it's hilarious. Diaz returned to the show afterwards and the furor about it, to the extent there was, was not raised by Rogan after the podcast, but by would-be Rogan-cancellers. It's fine if you like and listen to Rogan. Maybe he's grown since then. I think it's less fine to pretend like bad things didn't happen, aren't bad, or that Rogan is a journalist luring his friends to hang themselves by confessing misdeeds.
      - at_a_remove 4y ago
        I don't listen to the guy at all, he seems like a vaguely credulous meathead, but I guess it works out for him. You should watch or read someone like Hunter S. Thompson interview people he despises. He got his yucks on with Nixon, and this is a guy who purportedly trained his dog to savage a cloth dummy at the word "Nixon." You smile and laugh and let people hang themselves. Similarly, I've heard the most shameful and shocking things from people you wouldn't guess, because I am told I have a very non-judgemental demeanor. Father Confessor jokes have been made, and I faintly smile and raise my eyebrows, and then people tell me about drinking a full steaming stein of their own urine. I've heard worse, far worse. People like to unburden themselves.
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freetime2 4y ago
Here's the clip for anyone who's curious: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/joe-rogan-joe-coco-diaz-female-comedians-oral-sex-podcast-video-a9576961.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news... I'm generally fairly ambivalent about Joe Rogan. I will listen occasionally if he has an interesting guest, and I feel a lot of the outrage about him is overblown. But I agree this is pretty disgusting.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  God, half the reason I didn't look it up is I knew it'd just piss me off again, but I forgot all that about being proud he "broke" someone. So yeah, I would really not associate my business with this cluster of clowns.
  - AzzieElbab 4y ago
    that video is 12 years old. As far as I can tell every episode back then was a bunch of wasted/high comedians talking sht to an audience of basically themselves
    - octodog 4y ago
      ...so? If anything that's worse because it indicates their true outlook and behaviour.
      - jeffy90 4y ago
        We should take into account the amount of time he spends being recorded, the frequency of the incidents, and the trends of the incidents over time. I think most everyone has said something wrong in the last 12 years. If it happened 12 years ago and hasn't happened since, then I'll give him a pass. If it's a repeating thing, then I'll judge more harshly.
        philosopher1234 4y ago
bowsamic 4y ago
Diaz is absolutely disgusting
- xdennis 4y ago
  He's one of the most entertaining guests though.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    >He's one of the most entertaining guests though. "He won't give women a job unless they suck his dick, but boy is he great!"
    - throwaway5959 4y ago
      It doesn’t make it right, but if you eliminated all popular comedians that haven’t fucked up in the past, the list would be effectively 0.
      - standardUser 4y ago
        That's untrue. There are scores of impressive comedians, many of them women, with zero history of sexual assault or grotesque manipulation. Maybe you're just really drawn to the rapey types. Lots of men are. Many of them Rogan fans.
      - jjulius 4y ago
        Everyone fucks up. All of us. That's a basic requirement of existence. The difference is how we react to our fuck ups, how we grow. Talking about a past experience like that, and then "hyena laughing" while moving past it like there is nothing wrong tells me that there is next to zero self-awareness and no effort to better themselves.
slg 4y ago
You don't even have to go deep into the archives to feel uncomfortable with this whole world's treatment of gender issues. Directly from this article: >At a long desk in the big main room sits an attractive nurse. She offers us an enhancer of B12 or NAD+, through a shot or an IV. >I get a shot of NAD+, which is supposed to be good for energy and metabolism. NAD stands for Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide, and I don’t know what the + is. (Actually, I don’t know what any of it is, but the nurse said she takes it, and if you saw this woman, you too would ask for a shot of whatever she’s on.) What are we supposed to take away from this? Is this nurse actually trained for this? If so, isn't the author completely dismissing that training because the nurse is attractive? If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? Neither option is great. And this was written by the VP of Communication for Substack and is approved by Rogan. This isn't some unauthorized look behind the scenes. This is what they want to advertise. It just gives me the creeps.
- ryanisnan 4y ago
  Yeah, I don't know if this article is a great look for Substack. Sounds like the author at least suffers from FOMO and falling prey to peer-pressure.
- Shank 4y ago
  > If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? > Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) is a coenzyme central to metabolism. Found in all living cells, NAD is called a dinucleotide because it consists of two nucleotides joined through their phosphate groups...NAD exists in two forms: an oxidized and reduced form, abbreviated as NAD+ and NADH (H for hydrogen), respectively. [0] It's worth noting that NAD+ is well-known. Artificial supplementation I'm not so sure about, but it's inside you already. I...somehow doubt they're just injecting raw NAD+ but I suppose it could be? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleotide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleot...
  - slg 4y ago
    Cyanide is also well-known and probably inside me already and yet I wouldn't be happy with someone injecting it directly into me. I don't really care about the specifics of what they are injecting. I am objecting to how they are pressuring people, perhaps unintentionally, in the moment to accept the injection of a substance in which the injectee admits they don't understand. It is especially ironic considering Rogan's various comments about vaccines. Thousands of doctors can tell me that the COVID vaccine is safe and I am supposed to doubt them. One nurse tells me NAD+ is safe and I am supposed to believe her.
dshpala 4y ago
There are people that don't let a single mistake sink a person. Yes that episode is bad and leaves bad taste, but everyone makes mistakes. So yeah, I like Joe Rogan, and I'm fine with associating my brand with him. But if you know rising podcast stars like him - please share.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >There are people that don't let a single mistake sink a person. Sure, but it's pretty easy to find plenty of similar instances throughout the JRE catalog.
mduerksen 4y ago
So one clip tells you everything you need to know. Do you judge everyone this way? One mistake and their whole character is defined by that? Do you live up to that standard, or would someone be able to find some damning evidence of some dark side of you? Is it possible that people are messy, not always consistent in their behaviour, that they have bad days? That they haven't thought everything through, that they get caught in the moment and regret it later? Is there any grey area to you?
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  You know, I've done things I'm not proud of, but I generally try to keep those things to myself rather than broadcast them out for money.
  - oswald42 4y ago
  - xdennis 4y ago
    In those days Rogan's audience was very small and he wasn't making much off of the podcast (if at all).
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      Ah well that makes it ok I suppose. Was he also a much younger man back then and he couldn't have been expected to know better? That usually excuses a lot too.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      So denounce it afterward. I've had to admit and come to terms with some bad decisions. It's part of being an adult.
- sumo89 4y ago
  For someone complaining about the lack of nuance between too black or white you sure are being binary abour this. If someone says a mildly sexist remark, sure - grey area, could be a mistake or it could be they're a dick. But if someone says they support Hitler's ideals that's not just a mistake you can overlook.
babyshake 4y ago
An anecdote like that would be a great opportunity to ask Diaz if he had reflected on the way he had acted and felt remorse, or if he would want his daughter/sister/spouse to be treated that way. Podcasts can sometimes be an excellent venue for having heartfelt conversations about difficult topics. What a shame.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  I feel like you'd have to be pretty deep into silicon valley progressive culture to actually ask this instead of presuming that people have the capability of coming to that conclusion on their own. I would assume that someone would laugh at just how absurdly awful it is.
- whythre 4y ago
  Sounds like a self-flagellating struggle session.
EarlKing 4y ago
Better take: Joe Rogan has an uncanny ability to make people think he's just a bro asking questions and uses that to get people to admit to truly horrendous behavior, free of judgement, for his profit and your shock. Seriously, what do you expect him to do when someone says something like that? Immediately end the broadcast and summon the police? What exactly do you think shows like this are for?
- jjulius 4y ago
  >Seriously, what do you expect him to do when someone says something like that? Instead of "hyena laughing", he could maybe go, "Wait, wait, you actually did that? That's how you hired women? That's pretty fucked up, you know that, right?" and then start having a tough conversation about it.
  - MockObject 4y ago
    Is that what you think his audience would prefer?
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    - jjulius 4y ago
      I don't really care what they would prefer, that's simply the more decent thing to do. It also speaks volumes about the audience itself if they don't wanna hear Rogan "just asking questions" about that subject.
      - EarlKing 4y ago
        You think that condemning them is the right way to go, rather than being nonjudgemental? The former will make them shut up. The latter will get them to open up and hang themselves with their own words, as he's proven time and again.
powerset 4y ago
Not to dispute any of your points, but one of the reasons I find some of the JRE podcasts interesting is that he gets people to open up and talk about (admit to) stuff they otherwise might not. Joey's comments are repulsive, but it's a good thing we now know what kind of person he is. Not sure if that's a net positive overall, but it's something to consider.
stainablesteel 4y ago
so there's definitely no reaction ever that anyone would ever be disgusted by you with, you're a perfect individual with no vices whatsoever it's not like rogan was the one asking someone to suck his dick, if anything he exposed someone else plus, why is laughter painted as agreement? it's a mechanism of coping with ridiculous circumstances. i'd probably laugh out of that whole conversation becoming super awkward
- jamiek88 4y ago
  Sexual assault is not a ‘Vice’.
  - stainablesteel 4y ago
    when did rogan sexually assault someone?
TeeMassive 4y ago
"I take everything two comics say at face value and it's not funny"
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quitit 4y ago
Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Whether it's those "uppity stupid women", or gays and trans "getting more rights than us". It's the usual toxic masculinity soup that's easy to drink, but poison nonetheless. In general people aren't keyed into what falls under programming into rightwing extremist views. The formula is simple: make an argument about something that doesn't really matter, make it convincing by cherrypicking the "facts", and glossing over the inconvenient ones - then make it feel pressing and relevant to the audience by citing a [usually exaggerated] example of how this has affected some poor-mans life. It's a process that relies on ignorance, while setting off parts of the brain that lead to attentive behaviour - the exact realisation that facebook also made, hence why they significantly favour anything that gets the "angry" like-response. Joe Rogan isn't alone in this of course. Talk-back radio does it, Reddit does it, 9gag does it - no matter where you go on the internet you'll find a place where you can be angry and scared about something that doesn't affect you one bit. As for the media companies and personalities pushing this: yes they know.
- towaway15463 4y ago
  We need a new word specifically for these left wing conspiracy theories. The “who radicalized you!” meme comes close but it needs to be shorter.
  - quitit 4y ago
    Reflexive heel-digging is indicative of your priorities, i.e. people you don't disagree with aren't conspiracy theorists. This topic is well covered territory and to touch further on the examples I've given: Facebook's own admissions to weighting the angry reaction 5x more than likes is, again, not a conspiracy theory.(1) Also politically what I've written doesn't come under "left wing", it actually doesn't come under any political wing. Trying to turn this into some left/right wing disagreement is only a distraction. Indeed if you're feeling challenged in your views, then maybe the Internet isn't for you. (1)https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/facebook-angry-emoji-algorithm/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/faceboo...
assttoasstmgr 4y ago
Have you considered that your average soft SV male feminist-type isn't the target audience for a couple of east coast comedians - who are by and large complete degenerates, and I use that term with all due respect - riffing on degenerate topics that are humorous to a significant segment of the population? Much of stand up comedy comes from an extremely dark place, and its successes derived from relating stories about their messed up lives to an audience who for a fleeting moment live vicariously through them or find humorous the complete insanity and barbarity they just witnessed. And this type of comedy is very successful. To deny this is at best naive and myopic and at worst deliberate ignorance of the world around us. It's not exclusive to the east coast; go listen to some Bobby Lee brothel stories on YouTube and prepare to be uncomfortable. These are real people, telling real stories about their past. Please understand that people have different tastes; there is a large audience for this type of humor; everyone else try not to choke on your own tears laughing it up with Stephen Colbert.
- dastbe 4y ago
  what’s the joke, though?
  - browserman 4y ago
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    Raunchy, absurd, dialed up story-telling. All the HNers coming out to put it on record how disgusted they are with the story remind me of that Daniel Tosh clip where a heckler shouts "rape is never funny" and he goes "it's not... but wouldn't it be funny if someone raped [the heckler]?" and everyone laughs. It's like watching people get offended on the behalf of babies over some dead baby jokes and then lecturing each other on a forum.
    - bobkazamakis 4y ago
      xD!!! It's funny because edgy
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gsatic 4y ago

This gens Charlie Rose I guess.

Keyframe 4y ago

And both of them have daughters (only). There's a possibility it's a schtick from Diaz, he has this absurd persona, but still in bad taste if so.

lossolo 4y ago
> And both of them have daughters (only) I don't think this is really relevant, I know plenty of people that will joke in the same way about other women besides their daughters and mothers.
- jjulius 4y ago
  Maybe I'm getting off on a tangent here, but I have two daughters and I truly don't understand the idea that it's completely fine for sexually-degrading jokes to be made about every single woman except my wife/daughter/mother. If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. To me, that's a really shitty thing to do as a parent; we should be leading by example. And that's without addressing the fact that Diaz' comment is potentially rooted in truth...
  - lossolo 4y ago
    > If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. In my experience (from observations) most of those people do not think the way you do, and if someone will say something like that to their daughters/mothers they will want to just fuck him up. > It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. They see that already pretty clearly I think. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in, patriarchal world where by the law all genders should be equal but in reality men make more money than woman in same position, leadership positions are dominated by men, if a woman had a lot of partners some people will call her slut but in case of men they call him playboy etc. Double standards are everywhere around us.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      Agreed. I'm just asking people to be better.
_n_b_ 4y ago
Even if that’s true, Ken White’s Rule or Goats applies: “[s]lightly paraphrased — for this family newspaper — the rule states: If you kiss a goat, even if you say you’re doing it ironically, you’re still a goat-kisser.”
- lifeisstillgood 4y ago
  That's a really useful expression - thank you and Ken White
  - hirvi74 4y ago
    It actually derives from an older and more crass joke. Said joke has been slightly modified in many different forms, but here is an example: (Warning -- Potentially Not Safe For Work) https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_at_the_bar_heavy_npr_listeners_might/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_a...
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  If you say you are kissing a goat, but never actually kiss a goat are you still a goat kisser?
- simonswords82 4y ago
  It's actually if you fuck a goat...

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ALittleLight 4y ago
Well, there are "scolds" and there are people who think it's bad to compel female employees or contractors to have sex with their boss.
- at_a_remove 4y ago
  Hunter S. Thompson was able to interview Nixon, despite a kind of hatred he held for the man that was nearly blinding. If you want to get people to let their guard down, be agreeable. Draw them out. Smile and nod. Let them hang themselves with their own words. That's a journalistic skill. If you just want to be angry at them, well, write a letter. Yell at them at the phone. With that in mind, is he there to 1) Let his guests know how much he agrees or disagrees with them? 2) Get them to say whatever and find out who they really are?
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    That's not at all what happened between Rogan and Diaz. Diaz tells the story of the time he borderline raped a woman repeatedly to the extent she became depressed and defeated, and Rogan laughs along like it's hilarious. Diaz returned to the show afterwards and the furor about it, to the extent there was, was not raised by Rogan after the podcast, but by would-be Rogan-cancellers. It's fine if you like and listen to Rogan. Maybe he's grown since then. I think it's less fine to pretend like bad things didn't happen, aren't bad, or that Rogan is a journalist luring his friends to hang themselves by confessing misdeeds.
    - at_a_remove 4y ago
      I don't listen to the guy at all, he seems like a vaguely credulous meathead, but I guess it works out for him. You should watch or read someone like Hunter S. Thompson interview people he despises. He got his yucks on with Nixon, and this is a guy who purportedly trained his dog to savage a cloth dummy at the word "Nixon." You smile and laugh and let people hang themselves. Similarly, I've heard the most shameful and shocking things from people you wouldn't guess, because I am told I have a very non-judgemental demeanor. Father Confessor jokes have been made, and I faintly smile and raise my eyebrows, and then people tell me about drinking a full steaming stein of their own urine. I've heard worse, far worse. People like to unburden themselves.

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freetime2 4y ago

Here's the clip for anyone who's curious: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/joe-rogan-joe-coco-diaz-female-comedians-oral-sex-podcast-video-a9576961.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news... I'm generally fairly ambivalent about Joe Rogan. I will listen occasionally if he has an interesting guest, and I feel a lot of the outrage about him is overblown. But I agree this is pretty disgusting.

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
God, half the reason I didn't look it up is I knew it'd just piss me off again, but I forgot all that about being proud he "broke" someone. So yeah, I would really not associate my business with this cluster of clowns.
- AzzieElbab 4y ago
  that video is 12 years old. As far as I can tell every episode back then was a bunch of wasted/high comedians talking sht to an audience of basically themselves
  - octodog 4y ago
    ...so? If anything that's worse because it indicates their true outlook and behaviour.
    - jeffy90 4y ago
      We should take into account the amount of time he spends being recorded, the frequency of the incidents, and the trends of the incidents over time. I think most everyone has said something wrong in the last 12 years. If it happened 12 years ago and hasn't happened since, then I'll give him a pass. If it's a repeating thing, then I'll judge more harshly.
      - philosopher1234 4y ago

bowsamic 4y ago

Diaz is absolutely disgusting

xdennis 4y ago
He's one of the most entertaining guests though.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >He's one of the most entertaining guests though. "He won't give women a job unless they suck his dick, but boy is he great!"
  - throwaway5959 4y ago
    It doesn’t make it right, but if you eliminated all popular comedians that haven’t fucked up in the past, the list would be effectively 0.
    - standardUser 4y ago
      That's untrue. There are scores of impressive comedians, many of them women, with zero history of sexual assault or grotesque manipulation. Maybe you're just really drawn to the rapey types. Lots of men are. Many of them Rogan fans.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      Everyone fucks up. All of us. That's a basic requirement of existence. The difference is how we react to our fuck ups, how we grow. Talking about a past experience like that, and then "hyena laughing" while moving past it like there is nothing wrong tells me that there is next to zero self-awareness and no effort to better themselves.

slg 4y ago

You don't even have to go deep into the archives to feel uncomfortable with this whole world's treatment of gender issues. Directly from this article: >At a long desk in the big main room sits an attractive nurse. She offers us an enhancer of B12 or NAD+, through a shot or an IV. >I get a shot of NAD+, which is supposed to be good for energy and metabolism. NAD stands for Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide, and I don’t know what the + is. (Actually, I don’t know what any of it is, but the nurse said she takes it, and if you saw this woman, you too would ask for a shot of whatever she’s on.) What are we supposed to take away from this? Is this nurse actually trained for this? If so, isn't the author completely dismissing that training because the nurse is attractive? If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? Neither option is great. And this was written by the VP of Communication for Substack and is approved by Rogan. This isn't some unauthorized look behind the scenes. This is what they want to advertise. It just gives me the creeps.

ryanisnan 4y ago
Yeah, I don't know if this article is a great look for Substack. Sounds like the author at least suffers from FOMO and falling prey to peer-pressure.
Shank 4y ago
> If not, isn't Rogan basically just hiring a model to pump his guests full of unknown drugs? > Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) is a coenzyme central to metabolism. Found in all living cells, NAD is called a dinucleotide because it consists of two nucleotides joined through their phosphate groups...NAD exists in two forms: an oxidized and reduced form, abbreviated as NAD+ and NADH (H for hydrogen), respectively. [0] It's worth noting that NAD+ is well-known. Artificial supplementation I'm not so sure about, but it's inside you already. I...somehow doubt they're just injecting raw NAD+ but I suppose it could be? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleotide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinamide_adenine_dinucleot...
- slg 4y ago
  Cyanide is also well-known and probably inside me already and yet I wouldn't be happy with someone injecting it directly into me. I don't really care about the specifics of what they are injecting. I am objecting to how they are pressuring people, perhaps unintentionally, in the moment to accept the injection of a substance in which the injectee admits they don't understand. It is especially ironic considering Rogan's various comments about vaccines. Thousands of doctors can tell me that the COVID vaccine is safe and I am supposed to doubt them. One nurse tells me NAD+ is safe and I am supposed to believe her.

dshpala 4y ago

There are people that don't let a single mistake sink a person. Yes that episode is bad and leaves bad taste, but everyone makes mistakes. So yeah, I like Joe Rogan, and I'm fine with associating my brand with him. But if you know rising podcast stars like him - please share.

jjulius 4y ago
>There are people that don't let a single mistake sink a person. Sure, but it's pretty easy to find plenty of similar instances throughout the JRE catalog.

mduerksen 4y ago

So one clip tells you everything you need to know. Do you judge everyone this way? One mistake and their whole character is defined by that? Do you live up to that standard, or would someone be able to find some damning evidence of some dark side of you? Is it possible that people are messy, not always consistent in their behaviour, that they have bad days? That they haven't thought everything through, that they get caught in the moment and regret it later? Is there any grey area to you?

hotpotamus 4y ago
You know, I've done things I'm not proud of, but I generally try to keep those things to myself rather than broadcast them out for money.
- oswald42 4y ago
- xdennis 4y ago
  In those days Rogan's audience was very small and he wasn't making much off of the podcast (if at all).
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    Ah well that makes it ok I suppose. Was he also a much younger man back then and he couldn't have been expected to know better? That usually excuses a lot too.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    So denounce it afterward. I've had to admit and come to terms with some bad decisions. It's part of being an adult.
sumo89 4y ago
For someone complaining about the lack of nuance between too black or white you sure are being binary abour this. If someone says a mildly sexist remark, sure - grey area, could be a mistake or it could be they're a dick. But if someone says they support Hitler's ideals that's not just a mistake you can overlook.

babyshake 4y ago

An anecdote like that would be a great opportunity to ask Diaz if he had reflected on the way he had acted and felt remorse, or if he would want his daughter/sister/spouse to be treated that way. Podcasts can sometimes be an excellent venue for having heartfelt conversations about difficult topics. What a shame.

brailsafe 4y ago
I feel like you'd have to be pretty deep into silicon valley progressive culture to actually ask this instead of presuming that people have the capability of coming to that conclusion on their own. I would assume that someone would laugh at just how absurdly awful it is.
whythre 4y ago
Sounds like a self-flagellating struggle session.

EarlKing 4y ago

Better take: Joe Rogan has an uncanny ability to make people think he's just a bro asking questions and uses that to get people to admit to truly horrendous behavior, free of judgement, for his profit and your shock. Seriously, what do you expect him to do when someone says something like that? Immediately end the broadcast and summon the police? What exactly do you think shows like this are for?

jjulius 4y ago
>Seriously, what do you expect him to do when someone says something like that? Instead of "hyena laughing", he could maybe go, "Wait, wait, you actually did that? That's how you hired women? That's pretty fucked up, you know that, right?" and then start having a tough conversation about it.
- MockObject 4y ago
  Is that what you think his audience would prefer?
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  - jjulius 4y ago
    I don't really care what they would prefer, that's simply the more decent thing to do. It also speaks volumes about the audience itself if they don't wanna hear Rogan "just asking questions" about that subject.
    - EarlKing 4y ago
      You think that condemning them is the right way to go, rather than being nonjudgemental? The former will make them shut up. The latter will get them to open up and hang themselves with their own words, as he's proven time and again.

powerset 4y ago

Not to dispute any of your points, but one of the reasons I find some of the JRE podcasts interesting is that he gets people to open up and talk about (admit to) stuff they otherwise might not. Joey's comments are repulsive, but it's a good thing we now know what kind of person he is. Not sure if that's a net positive overall, but it's something to consider.

stainablesteel 4y ago

so there's definitely no reaction ever that anyone would ever be disgusted by you with, you're a perfect individual with no vices whatsoever it's not like rogan was the one asking someone to suck his dick, if anything he exposed someone else plus, why is laughter painted as agreement? it's a mechanism of coping with ridiculous circumstances. i'd probably laugh out of that whole conversation becoming super awkward

jamiek88 4y ago
Sexual assault is not a ‘Vice’.
- stainablesteel 4y ago
  when did rogan sexually assault someone?

TeeMassive 4y ago

"I take everything two comics say at face value and it's not funny"

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quitit 4y ago

Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Whether it's those "uppity stupid women", or gays and trans "getting more rights than us". It's the usual toxic masculinity soup that's easy to drink, but poison nonetheless. In general people aren't keyed into what falls under programming into rightwing extremist views. The formula is simple: make an argument about something that doesn't really matter, make it convincing by cherrypicking the "facts", and glossing over the inconvenient ones - then make it feel pressing and relevant to the audience by citing a [usually exaggerated] example of how this has affected some poor-mans life. It's a process that relies on ignorance, while setting off parts of the brain that lead to attentive behaviour - the exact realisation that facebook also made, hence why they significantly favour anything that gets the "angry" like-response. Joe Rogan isn't alone in this of course. Talk-back radio does it, Reddit does it, 9gag does it - no matter where you go on the internet you'll find a place where you can be angry and scared about something that doesn't affect you one bit. As for the media companies and personalities pushing this: yes they know.

towaway15463 4y ago
We need a new word specifically for these left wing conspiracy theories. The “who radicalized you!” meme comes close but it needs to be shorter.
- quitit 4y ago
  Reflexive heel-digging is indicative of your priorities, i.e. people you don't disagree with aren't conspiracy theorists. This topic is well covered territory and to touch further on the examples I've given: Facebook's own admissions to weighting the angry reaction 5x more than likes is, again, not a conspiracy theory.(1) Also politically what I've written doesn't come under "left wing", it actually doesn't come under any political wing. Trying to turn this into some left/right wing disagreement is only a distraction. Indeed if you're feeling challenged in your views, then maybe the Internet isn't for you. (1)https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/facebook-angry-emoji-algorithm/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/faceboo...

assttoasstmgr 4y ago

Have you considered that your average soft SV male feminist-type isn't the target audience for a couple of east coast comedians - who are by and large complete degenerates, and I use that term with all due respect - riffing on degenerate topics that are humorous to a significant segment of the population? Much of stand up comedy comes from an extremely dark place, and its successes derived from relating stories about their messed up lives to an audience who for a fleeting moment live vicariously through them or find humorous the complete insanity and barbarity they just witnessed. And this type of comedy is very successful. To deny this is at best naive and myopic and at worst deliberate ignorance of the world around us. It's not exclusive to the east coast; go listen to some Bobby Lee brothel stories on YouTube and prepare to be uncomfortable. These are real people, telling real stories about their past. Please understand that people have different tastes; there is a large audience for this type of humor; everyone else try not to choke on your own tears laughing it up with Stephen Colbert.

dastbe 4y ago
what’s the joke, though?
- browserman 4y ago
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  Raunchy, absurd, dialed up story-telling. All the HNers coming out to put it on record how disgusted they are with the story remind me of that Daniel Tosh clip where a heckler shouts "rape is never funny" and he goes "it's not... but wouldn't it be funny if someone raped [the heckler]?" and everyone laughs. It's like watching people get offended on the behalf of babies over some dead baby jokes and then lecturing each other on a forum.
  - bobkazamakis 4y ago
    xD!!! It's funny because edgy

onetokeoverthe 4y ago