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Even if all of that were true there hasn't been a single alternative hypothesis of how the earth's atmosphere would be able to deal with a huge increase in gree

Even if all of that were true there hasn't been a single alternative hypothesis of how the earth's atmosphere would be able to deal with a huge increase in greenhouse gases in such a way it wouldn't have strongly averse effects on the climate that's managed to gain any sort of widespread acceptance among climatologists. I have enough trust in the scientific method and peer review process that theories put forward by those primarily motivated by dubious personal reasons won't stand the test of time.

verisimi 4y ago
The scientific method is great, but TRUST has nothing to do with it. That's the point! The method is about being able to verify things for yourself. So, what info have you verified personally? Any at all? For myself, I have heard the claims of water rising, hot summers, etc and cannot see anything different or exceptional. I can verify nothing. Perhaps you are unaware of the replication crisis, where 70% of studies cannot be replicated, even by the authors. Perhaps you are also unaware of what I think is the 'funding crisis', where funds for science are given out by the government, corporations and the military. This triumvirate work together, you see this in technology quite clearly, eg Google was funded by inqtel, and hands over data to the government. Given the above, do you think it is possible that the governance system we have (corporations and government, aka fascism) works together to create narratives that better support their agenda? Do you see how climate change is supportive of technocracy, and plans to hand over fine-grained control of all resources to nameless bureaucrats? The trick is to get people to cheer for this, and that is what climate change is for. Most of us, on the basis of no evidence we can see, will cheer as we lose access to cars, pay more in taxes, are unable to travel, cannot visit distant places, live in small, densely-packed urban areas, as NGOs (billionaire foundations) take control of the world's resources, etc, etc. PS those quotes are true and verifiable. They have told us what is planned.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  It's not feasible for any individual to go out there and verify every scientific claim for themselves but I'm satisfied that scientists are out there doing so all the time. No doubt many of the more specific hypotheses around exact sensitivities or likely glacial melting patterns will turn out to be overturned and replaced with better ones. The economic forecasts of the effects of warming temperatures/ higher sea levels I definitely take with a large grain of salt, and there may well be cases it makes more sense to wait until better technologies are developed before going all out with what we have now, but we've known enough for quite long enough (multiple decades) that it's absurd to continue claiming we should do nothing at all about reducing emissions just in case current scientific understanding gets overturned.
  - verisimi 4y ago
    - dang 4y ago
      Can you please stop using HN for political and ideological battle? It seems that's about all your account is doing here. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we end up having to ban such accounts. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - verisimi 4y ago

verisimi 4y ago

The scientific method is great, but TRUST has nothing to do with it. That's the point! The method is about being able to verify things for yourself. So, what info have you verified personally? Any at all? For myself, I have heard the claims of water rising, hot summers, etc and cannot see anything different or exceptional. I can verify nothing. Perhaps you are unaware of the replication crisis, where 70% of studies cannot be replicated, even by the authors. Perhaps you are also unaware of what I think is the 'funding crisis', where funds for science are given out by the government, corporations and the military. This triumvirate work together, you see this in technology quite clearly, eg Google was funded by inqtel, and hands over data to the government. Given the above, do you think it is possible that the governance system we have (corporations and government, aka fascism) works together to create narratives that better support their agenda? Do you see how climate change is supportive of technocracy, and plans to hand over fine-grained control of all resources to nameless bureaucrats? The trick is to get people to cheer for this, and that is what climate change is for. Most of us, on the basis of no evidence we can see, will cheer as we lose access to cars, pay more in taxes, are unable to travel, cannot visit distant places, live in small, densely-packed urban areas, as NGOs (billionaire foundations) take control of the world's resources, etc, etc. PS those quotes are true and verifiable. They have told us what is planned.

wizofaus 4y ago
It's not feasible for any individual to go out there and verify every scientific claim for themselves but I'm satisfied that scientists are out there doing so all the time. No doubt many of the more specific hypotheses around exact sensitivities or likely glacial melting patterns will turn out to be overturned and replaced with better ones. The economic forecasts of the effects of warming temperatures/ higher sea levels I definitely take with a large grain of salt, and there may well be cases it makes more sense to wait until better technologies are developed before going all out with what we have now, but we've known enough for quite long enough (multiple decades) that it's absurd to continue claiming we should do nothing at all about reducing emissions just in case current scientific understanding gets overturned.
- verisimi 4y ago
  - dang 4y ago
    Can you please stop using HN for political and ideological battle? It seems that's about all your account is doing here. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we end up having to ban such accounts. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - verisimi 4y ago