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> I think this is why he is so popular, 90% of the media is all saying the exact same message and if you deviate from it you get cancelled or your show/platform

> I think this is why he is so popular, 90% of the media is all saying the exact same message and if you deviate from it you get cancelled or your show/platform dropped. Americans are not dumb, they don't like being preached to and talked down to which is why Rogan's show and guests are so popular as many of them are saying things which are not heard on any of the other media outlets. I'm really confused by this stance, because the top podcasts are never swarmed by one specific perspective. On my apple podcast the podcasts on "top episodes" lists for me both the nyt daily and ben shapiro in the same top 5. If I filter to news podcasts only, they're the top 2.

subsubzero 4y ago
> 90% of the media media being MSM like NBC, NY Times, CNN, etc. Podcasts and even the popular ones are longtail so they will have divergent messages than the MSM players. But Joe Rogan has more viewers than some of the smaller networks top shows and that puts him squarely in the field of MSM, and those players mentioned before are all seeing ever shrinking audiences and JR is seeing his audience expand and he has 100x less of the support and administrative staff than those networks do, it must infuriate them to no degree and I can see why they would want him shut down.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  I'm confused about your claim that 90% of MSM is the same if I'm pointing out that just briefly going to top podcasts points out two radically differing MSM taking the top 2. That doesn't sound like 90% saying the same stuff to me. Especially if you consider Joe Rogan himself to also be MSM. I don't even know the definition of MSM then or how you can say 90% of them are anything.
  - panzagl 4y ago
    OP is saying top podcasts are not MSM. But to address the point I think you're making, just because two shows have different viewpoints doesn't mean they're not the same- 'Fox and Friends' and 'The View' might have opposing ideologies, but they're the same show.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  You're shoehorning "MSM" to mean "non-podcast media I don't like". It's completely dumbfounding to compare staff sizes of a podcast to worldwide journalism institutions. It borders on bad faith. "They" want them shut down? Who is they?

subsubzero 4y ago

> 90% of the media media being MSM like NBC, NY Times, CNN, etc. Podcasts and even the popular ones are longtail so they will have divergent messages than the MSM players. But Joe Rogan has more viewers than some of the smaller networks top shows and that puts him squarely in the field of MSM, and those players mentioned before are all seeing ever shrinking audiences and JR is seeing his audience expand and he has 100x less of the support and administrative staff than those networks do, it must infuriate them to no degree and I can see why they would want him shut down.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
I'm confused about your claim that 90% of MSM is the same if I'm pointing out that just briefly going to top podcasts points out two radically differing MSM taking the top 2. That doesn't sound like 90% saying the same stuff to me. Especially if you consider Joe Rogan himself to also be MSM. I don't even know the definition of MSM then or how you can say 90% of them are anything.
- panzagl 4y ago
  OP is saying top podcasts are not MSM. But to address the point I think you're making, just because two shows have different viewpoints doesn't mean they're not the same- 'Fox and Friends' and 'The View' might have opposing ideologies, but they're the same show.
unethical_ban 4y ago
You're shoehorning "MSM" to mean "non-podcast media I don't like". It's completely dumbfounding to compare staff sizes of a podcast to worldwide journalism institutions. It borders on bad faith. "They" want them shut down? Who is they?