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Right because there aren’t blue collar workers in hcol areas whose kids went to college, or is “blue collar workers” a dog whistle here?

• feet 4y ago
  It's just a talking point from fox news with zero nuance or awareness. Plumbers could have loans, they could have children with loans etc
  • rank0 4y ago
    Dismissing an opposing view as “lacking nuance” doesn’t really add much nuance to the discussion. The fact of the matter is most Americans do not have a college degree. You can perform all the mental gymnastics you want but at the end of the day, it’s a direct subsidy to the upper class. Perhaps you are the one lacking awareness and maybe you should read the article.
    • feet 4y ago
      The "upper class" is the capital owners. People with college degrees are generally workers, they do not own business or own capital. Calling degree holders "upper class" is simply a way to keep the working class fighting within itself instead of working to change the system to be better for workers.
      • rank0 4y ago
        Degree holders are absolutely in the upper tier of society. They earn more money and have more wealth. You don’t think the bottom 80% views the top 20% as “upper class”? We’re spending hundreds of billions of debt relief here. That money could’ve gone towards medical debt, affordable housing, welfare expansion…etc. Instead a one time payment is going out to college graduates without tackling core issues like inability to refinance, or skyrocketing tuition. And again, tuition prices become inflated because of all these artificial federally guaranteed loans. This isn’t about helping workers…it’s about winning votes. Neither party gives a shit about the working class.
        • feet 4y ago
          I think you missed my point about dividing the working class Capital owners want us to be angry about things like this because it prevents progress for workers. Nearly everyone who has a degree is a worker. Instead of being angry about how the system fundamentally operates in favor of those who own capital, we squabble over crap like this. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with tuition costs, there absolutely is
          • rank0 4y ago
            Ya know I bet we even have a lot of overlapping opinions. It seems I just have a wider definition of “capital holders” than you do. For example there’s tons of subsidies to the upper middle class that I think should be eliminated. Examples are mortgage interest deductions, homestead exceptions, property tax deductions, long term capital gains…etc. In my book the recent student debt forgiveness is just like those other things, although I admit they’re not as egregious as the carried interest rule, which was preserved in the inflation reduction act by lobbying efforts. For the most part I agree with your point that our system is setup to benefit asset owners. It’s awful and needs to be stopped (even if I’m a beneficiary and take full advantage)
            • feet 4y ago
              Capital owners means those who purely derive their income from the capital and property they own. If someone works for a wage as their primary income, meaning they require it to survive, in 95%+ of cases they are workers.
              • rank0 4y ago
                That’s a bit ridiculous and it’s entirely your own definition. A FAANG engineer who makes 300k in salary and owns millions in securities and real estate is absolutely still a “capital owner” or upper class or whatever you wanna call it. The presence of a salary does not preclude someone from owning capital. The basis for almost everyone’s retirement is US equities and property.
• rank0 4y ago
  The majority of Americans do not have a college degree. You should read the article!