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You would not find an obvious and unquestionable trend towards more extreme events. Media presentation has nothing to do with it. This is about hard science ma

You would not find an obvious and unquestionable trend towards more extreme events. Media presentation has nothing to do with it. This is about hard science making verified predictions. In fact if anything the predictions have erred on the side of understatement and caution, and reality has already far outstripped their optimism. I don't understand the psychology of deniers. There's ample objective evidence of incoming climate catastrophe, but there's still the party line of "It's not really happening, and even if it is we're not sure why, and even if we are sure why it's too expensive to do anything." Absolutely none of those are true.

briandear 4y ago
We aren’t climate “deniers.” We just don’t subscribe to the sky is falling religion. A few times a generation the sky is allegedly falling. And it’s always overstated for political gain. Where is the actual proof humans are changing the climate? Not theory. Not models. But scientific proof? If we are going to make huge policy shifts that affect everyone’s economic prosperity, then it better be more than some computer modeling. Yes the climate is changing. Does flying on a 747 make it worse? Can you prove it? Conclusively? Because I’m not going to support policy decisions based on a best guess or faith. And is climate change bad? Any proof of that? If it gets warmer and it increases the growing season in Siberia or Canada, is that “bad?” And what’s the consequence of batteries everywhere? What are the environmental consequences of that? How about covering the land with solar panels? Can that have a negative effect? Windmills? Any effect on wildlife? Mao tried to exterminate sparrows and it led to a famine. Debating human caused global warming is like debating fundamentalist Christians. There is no coming catastrophe. That’s made up. It’s like using Revelation to increase donations to the church.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  Read the IPCC report, it addresses all those concerns quite explicitly.
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- patrick451 4y ago
  > Where is the actual proof humans are changing the climate? Not theory. Not models. But scientific proof? If we are going to make huge policy shifts that affect everyone’s economic prosperity, then it better be more than some computer modeling. The only way to get actual proof if is we ran a large number of experiments on parallel worlds. This is impossible. There is no control in climatology, only extrapolation. Climatology is more akin to history or archeology than science.
verisimi 4y ago
> Media presentation has nothing to do with it. The submission is for an article from the Washington Post, owned of course, by Jeff Bezos. There are many reasons to question what is being told. Al Gore's presentation didn't come true in his timelines but no one accused him of making mischief effectively calling fire in a crowded theatre. If course he is heavily invested in alternative technology - he stands to gain a lot. In the 70s Leonard Nimoy was warning us about the 'mini ice age', then it was 'global warming', and now the catch-all term of 'climate change'. For me, this is a governance control tactic - how to get people to willingly give up their freedoms (of travel, energy, etc) not to mention that this works very well with the micro-management planned with the technocratic agenda. And what I say is supported by the globalist books themselves - that in order to gain greater control they needed to make man in general the enemy, and using the climate as an excuse fitted the bill. Take a look at the club of Rome. Here are some quotes: "The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself." Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution "We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports. He is a member of the Club of Rome. "We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation and member of the Club of Rome. "The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." Maurice Strong, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Al Gore's mentor and executive member of the Club of Rome. "I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience." Al Gore, member of the Club of Rome and set to become the world's first carbon billionaire. He is also the largest shareholder of Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), which looks set to become the world's central carbon trading body.

briandear 4y ago

We aren’t climate “deniers.” We just don’t subscribe to the sky is falling religion. A few times a generation the sky is allegedly falling. And it’s always overstated for political gain. Where is the actual proof humans are changing the climate? Not theory. Not models. But scientific proof? If we are going to make huge policy shifts that affect everyone’s economic prosperity, then it better be more than some computer modeling. Yes the climate is changing. Does flying on a 747 make it worse? Can you prove it? Conclusively? Because I’m not going to support policy decisions based on a best guess or faith. And is climate change bad? Any proof of that? If it gets warmer and it increases the growing season in Siberia or Canada, is that “bad?” And what’s the consequence of batteries everywhere? What are the environmental consequences of that? How about covering the land with solar panels? Can that have a negative effect? Windmills? Any effect on wildlife? Mao tried to exterminate sparrows and it led to a famine. Debating human caused global warming is like debating fundamentalist Christians. There is no coming catastrophe. That’s made up. It’s like using Revelation to increase donations to the church.

wizofaus 4y ago
Read the IPCC report, it addresses all those concerns quite explicitly.
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patrick451 4y ago
> Where is the actual proof humans are changing the climate? Not theory. Not models. But scientific proof? If we are going to make huge policy shifts that affect everyone’s economic prosperity, then it better be more than some computer modeling. The only way to get actual proof if is we ran a large number of experiments on parallel worlds. This is impossible. There is no control in climatology, only extrapolation. Climatology is more akin to history or archeology than science.

verisimi 4y ago

> Media presentation has nothing to do with it. The submission is for an article from the Washington Post, owned of course, by Jeff Bezos. There are many reasons to question what is being told. Al Gore's presentation didn't come true in his timelines but no one accused him of making mischief effectively calling fire in a crowded theatre. If course he is heavily invested in alternative technology - he stands to gain a lot. In the 70s Leonard Nimoy was warning us about the 'mini ice age', then it was 'global warming', and now the catch-all term of 'climate change'. For me, this is a governance control tactic - how to get people to willingly give up their freedoms (of travel, energy, etc) not to mention that this works very well with the micro-management planned with the technocratic agenda. And what I say is supported by the globalist books themselves - that in order to gain greater control they needed to make man in general the enemy, and using the climate as an excuse fitted the bill. Take a look at the club of Rome. Here are some quotes: "The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself." Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution "We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports. He is a member of the Club of Rome. "We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation and member of the Club of Rome. "The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." Maurice Strong, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Al Gore's mentor and executive member of the Club of Rome. "I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience." Al Gore, member of the Club of Rome and set to become the world's first carbon billionaire. He is also the largest shareholder of Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), which looks set to become the world's central carbon trading body.