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But were they? We can’t confidently say anything of the sort. Were there not extreme weather events in the past? Certain people want to attribute everything to

But were they? We can’t confidently say anything of the sort. Were there not extreme weather events in the past? Certain people want to attribute everything to climate change because it suits their politics. Then there is the question of what causes climate change and the further question of if those causes are human. And the further question, the one of unintended consequences — does “solving” climate change create problems we aren’t foreseeing? Did the Covid lockdowns of California have any effect on climate? And if not, then doesn’t that cast question on the premise of zero carbon fixes climate change? The near shutdown of the global air transport system during the peak of the pandemic — did that have any effect at all on climate? Why must we accept the premise that lowering human-caused carbon emissions does anything to change climate “back” when there is little actual evidence from the real world that confirms that premise? And why do those most vocal on climate oppose nuclear energy? The answer is simple: it isn’t about climate but about redistribution of the means of production.

anigbrowl 4y ago
Your post comes off as sealioning/strawmanning. If this was not what you intended it might benefit from more focus.
aeroman 4y ago
Yes, there were extreme events in the past. These events are now much more frequent thanks to climate change. Sometimes 10s to 100s of times more common. Gloal climate change is caused by human emissions of greenhouse gases. This is now very clear and there is very little evidence of anything else having more than a small impact. The COVID lockdowns had an effect on the climate, see for example the reduction in high clouds due to a decrease in flying [0]. Stopping GHG emissions only prevents further climate change. It does not fix it, just stops it from getting worse. To change the climate 'back', we have to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, not just stop emitting it. Many people who want to stop climate change are also pro nuclear energy as a means of doing that. But why would that have anything to do with redistribution of the means of production? [0] - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abf686 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abf686
pjc50 4y ago
> The near shutdown of the global air transport system during the peak of the pandemic — did that have any effect at all on climate? No - because there is a huge lag in the system. That's like turning your house thermostat down and asking three seconds later why it isn't cold. It takes a lot of energy to warm an ocean. > And why do those most vocal on climate oppose nuclear energy? It's expensive, slow to build, and if it fails can contaminate enormous areas of the environment including the food supply? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36112372 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36112372

anigbrowl 4y ago

Your post comes off as sealioning/strawmanning. If this was not what you intended it might benefit from more focus.

aeroman 4y ago

Yes, there were extreme events in the past. These events are now much more frequent thanks to climate change. Sometimes 10s to 100s of times more common. Gloal climate change is caused by human emissions of greenhouse gases. This is now very clear and there is very little evidence of anything else having more than a small impact. The COVID lockdowns had an effect on the climate, see for example the reduction in high clouds due to a decrease in flying [0]. Stopping GHG emissions only prevents further climate change. It does not fix it, just stops it from getting worse. To change the climate 'back', we have to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, not just stop emitting it. Many people who want to stop climate change are also pro nuclear energy as a means of doing that. But why would that have anything to do with redistribution of the means of production? [0] - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abf686 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abf686

pjc50 4y ago

> The near shutdown of the global air transport system during the peak of the pandemic — did that have any effect at all on climate? No - because there is a huge lag in the system. That's like turning your house thermostat down and asking three seconds later why it isn't cold. It takes a lot of energy to warm an ocean. > And why do those most vocal on climate oppose nuclear energy? It's expensive, slow to build, and if it fails can contaminate enormous areas of the environment including the food supply? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36112372 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36112372