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Are you seriously saying that people in Jackson are not capable to taking care of themselves? And they need the state to do it for them?

by ars 4y ago

germinalphrase 4y ago
I know nothing about Jackson, but municipalities all around the country are reliant on money flowing federal>state>local, urban>rural, etc. There can be good reasons to subsidize infrastructure - for example, urban residents help maintain a rural farming community because they desire the agricultural products. It’s not even clear the entire state of Mississippi is “capable of taking care of themselves” as over 40 percent of their general operating revenue is supplied by the federal government (2017 numbers) which is consistently in the top five states for receiving federal aid. I’m not an expert, but the defensiveness seems unwarranted.
- ars 4y ago
  And California is 30%, that's a difference obviously, but not such a big difference that you have to say they are unable to take care of themselves. Water supply is a local thing, and local leaders need to take responsibility, not blame the state.
  - germinalphrase 4y ago
    Fair enough. I live in neither Mississippi or California, but we really should be talking about Balance of Payments though as federal expenditures by state is only half of it. When you consider federal expenditures vs receipts, we find that California is a net per capita contributor (-$301) while Mississippi is a net per capita receiver (+$7938). https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-payments-portal/ https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-...
vineyardmike 4y ago
Mississippi isn’t able to take care of themselves as a whole! https://mspolicy.org/mississippi-no-longer-the-state-most-reliant-on-federal-aid/ https://mspolicy.org/mississippi-no-longer-the-state-most-re...
- ars 4y ago
  They are 44%, and California is 30% - it's not that dramatic of a difference to call them "isn't able to take care of themselves".
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    Considering the population, California comes out to $12 of fed money per resident vs $6k in Mississippi. If I had to guess who was more likely to be self sufficient… I wouldn’t bet on Mississippi. The average per person income in Mississippi is like 25k so that 6k is not coming from the residents excess wealth. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-aid-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-aid...

Are you seriously saying that people in Jackson are not capable to taking care of themselves? And they need the state to do it for them?

by ars 4y ago

Are you seriously saying that people in Jackson are not capable to taking care of themselves? And they need the state to do it for them?

germinalphrase 4y ago

I know nothing about Jackson, but municipalities all around the country are reliant on money flowing federal>state>local, urban>rural, etc. There can be good reasons to subsidize infrastructure - for example, urban residents help maintain a rural farming community because they desire the agricultural products. It’s not even clear the entire state of Mississippi is “capable of taking care of themselves” as over 40 percent of their general operating revenue is supplied by the federal government (2017 numbers) which is consistently in the top five states for receiving federal aid. I’m not an expert, but the defensiveness seems unwarranted.

ars 4y ago
And California is 30%, that's a difference obviously, but not such a big difference that you have to say they are unable to take care of themselves. Water supply is a local thing, and local leaders need to take responsibility, not blame the state.
- germinalphrase 4y ago
  Fair enough. I live in neither Mississippi or California, but we really should be talking about Balance of Payments though as federal expenditures by state is only half of it. When you consider federal expenditures vs receipts, we find that California is a net per capita contributor (-$301) while Mississippi is a net per capita receiver (+$7938). https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-payments-portal/ https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-...

vineyardmike 4y ago

Mississippi isn’t able to take care of themselves as a whole! https://mspolicy.org/mississippi-no-longer-the-state-most-reliant-on-federal-aid/ https://mspolicy.org/mississippi-no-longer-the-state-most-re...

ars 4y ago
They are 44%, and California is 30% - it's not that dramatic of a difference to call them "isn't able to take care of themselves".
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  Considering the population, California comes out to $12 of fed money per resident vs $6k in Mississippi. If I had to guess who was more likely to be self sufficient… I wouldn’t bet on Mississippi. The average per person income in Mississippi is like 25k so that 6k is not coming from the residents excess wealth. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-aid-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-aid...