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It's funny, whenever they refer to "competition", they mean Intel, whereas they should worry about Apple, too, especially as far as efficiency is concerned.

dagmx 4y ago
As great as the Apple chips are, they’re not competition for AMD. AMD sell chips, Apple doesn’t. Apple is a package deal and as such doesn’t cut into AMD’s market for console chips, servers or gaming systems.
ssizn 4y ago
Apple can’t run Windows programs and games reliably so they are not a contender.
- nottorp 4y ago
  ... and not all Linux programs any more, sadly. Due to the switch to ARM I had to get a separate x86 box for some of my work (namely yocto builds and the like).
  - dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
    > ... and not all Linux programs any more, sadly. Historically, it's never been a problem. One of my first distros was Yellow Dog Linux. There will be many more in the future.
  - microtonal 4y ago
    Most distributions have an AArch64 build. Secondly, macOS Ventura will have Rosetta 2 for Linux as well.
    - nottorp 4y ago
      Most stuff I can do natively. I am not messing with a yocto build except on their recommended platform though. Too complex to be worth the effort of trying it on something else if not needed.
      - nottorp 4y ago
        ... and it's slow enough even without Rosetta ...
kennend3 4y ago
Because apple's ~10% of market share of the desktop market is a concern? https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-takes-90-of-arm-pc-market-4242836 https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-takes-90-of-arm-pc... Efficiency is critical on laptops, but not really on desktops. Electricity is incredibly cheap. if you left a 300 watt desktop computer on 24x7 it would use ~$260 in electricity for the year. https://energyusecalculator.com/electricity_incandescent.htm https://energyusecalculator.com/electricity_incandescent.htm it works out to $0.72 a day, a cup of coffee costs more
- jusssi 4y ago
  > Electricity is incredibly cheap. Beware, this is something that might change at short notice. Starting from October I'm paying 0.28€/kWh, making the daily 7.2kWh cost 2.02€, which would indeed buy me a cardboard cup of coffee at the kiosk.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    Europe? There really isn't too many reasons why electricity should have "shock pricing" like this. Here (Ontario) electricy prices are fairly flat over long time periods. https://www.oeb.ca/consumer-information-and-protection/electricity-rates/historical-electricity-rates https://www.oeb.ca/consumer-information-and-protection/elect... probably because once the plants are built, the cost to maintain them is fairly fixed? Off peak power is 8.2 kwh Feb 8, 2022 and was 8.7 back on Nov 1, 2016 in order for this to change, it requires government approvals so it wont be "changing at short notice".
    - kolbe 4y ago
      The Russia/Ukraine conflict is causing problems with energy production throughout Europe.
      - kennend3 4y ago
        Yes. My son is a nuclear physicist and found the whole "Germany shuts down its nuclear plants in favour of Russian gas" a strange choice. They made a choice, now they see the results of the decision? Maybe this will be a catalyst to revive nuclear? Perhaps our shitty leaders can stop the "we hate carbon" mantra and start selling our massive natural gas supplies to Europe removing the shortages?

dagmx 4y ago

As great as the Apple chips are, they’re not competition for AMD. AMD sell chips, Apple doesn’t. Apple is a package deal and as such doesn’t cut into AMD’s market for console chips, servers or gaming systems.

ssizn 4y ago

Apple can’t run Windows programs and games reliably so they are not a contender.

nottorp 4y ago
... and not all Linux programs any more, sadly. Due to the switch to ARM I had to get a separate x86 box for some of my work (namely yocto builds and the like).
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
  > ... and not all Linux programs any more, sadly. Historically, it's never been a problem. One of my first distros was Yellow Dog Linux. There will be many more in the future.
- microtonal 4y ago
  Most distributions have an AArch64 build. Secondly, macOS Ventura will have Rosetta 2 for Linux as well.
  - nottorp 4y ago
    Most stuff I can do natively. I am not messing with a yocto build except on their recommended platform though. Too complex to be worth the effort of trying it on something else if not needed.
    - nottorp 4y ago
      ... and it's slow enough even without Rosetta ...

kennend3 4y ago

Because apple's ~10% of market share of the desktop market is a concern? https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-takes-90-of-arm-pc-market-4242836 https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-takes-90-of-arm-pc... Efficiency is critical on laptops, but not really on desktops. Electricity is incredibly cheap. if you left a 300 watt desktop computer on 24x7 it would use ~$260 in electricity for the year. https://energyusecalculator.com/electricity_incandescent.htm https://energyusecalculator.com/electricity_incandescent.htm it works out to $0.72 a day, a cup of coffee costs more

jusssi 4y ago
> Electricity is incredibly cheap. Beware, this is something that might change at short notice. Starting from October I'm paying 0.28€/kWh, making the daily 7.2kWh cost 2.02€, which would indeed buy me a cardboard cup of coffee at the kiosk.
- kennend3 4y ago
  Europe? There really isn't too many reasons why electricity should have "shock pricing" like this. Here (Ontario) electricy prices are fairly flat over long time periods. https://www.oeb.ca/consumer-information-and-protection/electricity-rates/historical-electricity-rates https://www.oeb.ca/consumer-information-and-protection/elect... probably because once the plants are built, the cost to maintain them is fairly fixed? Off peak power is 8.2 kwh Feb 8, 2022 and was 8.7 back on Nov 1, 2016 in order for this to change, it requires government approvals so it wont be "changing at short notice".
  - kolbe 4y ago
    The Russia/Ukraine conflict is causing problems with energy production throughout Europe.
    - kennend3 4y ago
      Yes. My son is a nuclear physicist and found the whole "Germany shuts down its nuclear plants in favour of Russian gas" a strange choice. They made a choice, now they see the results of the decision? Maybe this will be a catalyst to revive nuclear? Perhaps our shitty leaders can stop the "we hate carbon" mantra and start selling our massive natural gas supplies to Europe removing the shortages?