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>>I cannot imagine living in a population density of of 742 people per mi² (287 per Km²). Can't tell from your comment - do you think that is higher-density or

by ejb999 4y ago

>>I cannot imagine living in a population density of of 742 people per mi² (287 per Km²). Can't tell from your comment - do you think that is higher-density or lower-density compared to where you are now? That is high compared to the USA as a whole, but 742/sq mile is low compared to ~50 other countries, and is lower than many states in the USA - i.e. DC, MA, NJ and CT.

andsoitis 4y ago
> Can't tell from your comment - do you think that is higher-density or lower-density compared to where you are now? Ah. I live in California, population density 254 per mi², so about a third. California is also 2 times smaller than Pakistan - since a lot of California is inhabitable (contrast with Pakistan) and the surrounding areas easily accessible, it translates to a lot of "breathing room", even if you live in a densely populated county like San Francisco or Los Angeles. > That is high compared to the USA as a whole, but 742/sq mile is low compared to ~50 other countries. Made me look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...
- saalweachter 4y ago
  Amusingly, Trantor -- the Galactic Capital World in Asimov's Foundation series, a world covered by one giant city, so populous it was -- only works out to around 534/sq mile.
- OgAstorga 4y ago
  what's your county population density? http://www.usa.com/rank/california-state--population-density--county-rank.htm http://www.usa.com/rank/california-state--population-density...
- wongarsu 4y ago
  California is kind of unusual in that it consists almost exclusively of places that are either extremely dense or extremely empty [1]. Compare that e.g. to Germany [2], with 2.4 times the average population density but much more evenly spread out. Pakistan is a bit of a mix of both: three quarters are pretty empty, but the population is spread somewhat evenly over the rest [3] 1: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/California-population-density-based-on-2010-United-States-Census-Bureau_fig11_329198565 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/California-population-de... 2: https://i.redd.it/oz7m4lfy37b51.png https://i.redd.it/oz7m4lfy37b51.png 3: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/fb/11/8efb11c1d9cc698ddca2e477a5f4c98d.png https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/fb/11/8efb11c1d9cc698ddca2...
  - bombcar 4y ago
    This is very important - local population density matters much more than some sort of "average" - if California ordered their army into Nevada and added it to their territory, the population density would drop from about 253 to about 154. But nothing at all has changed! Population density is only one aspect of "what it feels like to live somewhere" - local density, land usage, etc all play into it.
  - 8bitsrule 4y ago
    In Mountain View, California (~Silicon Valley) the density is 6,700/sq mi.
- somenameforme 4y ago
  It's really easy to forget how incredibly large a mile is. A single square mile is just under 28 million square feet. A population density of 742/sq mile means each person would have about 37,000 square feet to themselves. Not exactly a struggle for leg room. Large scale population densities don't tell you anything, due to the fact that we have this habit of trying to fit as many of ourselves into the smallest places possible. San Francisco city, for instance, has a population density of 18,634/square mile. And while that's relatively dense it's dwarfed by places like Manila (Philippines) with a density > 111,000 per square mile. And if you want to go full on crazy there was Kowloon Walled City [1] in Hong Kong which had a population density in excess of 5,000,000 per square mile! That number's a bit misleading due to verticality, but not by much! That's probably the most densely packed area of a sizable population that there has ever been, and by a pretty wide margin. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City
mattkrause 4y ago
For context, Montreal is about 4,517 people per km², and New York is about 11,000. I would guess that your number for Pakistan isn't really representative though: it's got dense cities and vast open spaces too.
xeromal 4y ago
I'm not the person you're replying to, but I live out in the country and enjoy the quiet of nature. Seems like it would be hard to have a lot of wildlife, trees, and space in an area where it's 287 per Km^2. I'm not judging btw. It's just not my cup of tea. I live on 5000 M^2 and prefer to have my space. I'm sure that will need to go sometime in the future but we still have plenty of space in the US to fill so I'm hoping it takes some time. lol
- ejb999 4y ago
  same here - where I live (my town) density is 53 ppl/sq mi - thats what I like - but I also happen to live in a state that has a much more dense population in other areas (one of the top 5 most dense states) - so I live in a dense state, but you wouldn't know it if you looked around the town I actually live.

by ejb999 4y ago

andsoitis 4y ago

> Can't tell from your comment - do you think that is higher-density or lower-density compared to where you are now? Ah. I live in California, population density 254 per mi², so about a third. California is also 2 times smaller than Pakistan - since a lot of California is inhabitable (contrast with Pakistan) and the surrounding areas easily accessible, it translates to a lot of "breathing room", even if you live in a densely populated county like San Francisco or Los Angeles. > That is high compared to the USA as a whole, but 742/sq mile is low compared to ~50 other countries. Made me look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...

saalweachter 4y ago
Amusingly, Trantor -- the Galactic Capital World in Asimov's Foundation series, a world covered by one giant city, so populous it was -- only works out to around 534/sq mile.
OgAstorga 4y ago
what's your county population density? http://www.usa.com/rank/california-state--population-density--county-rank.htm http://www.usa.com/rank/california-state--population-density...
wongarsu 4y ago
California is kind of unusual in that it consists almost exclusively of places that are either extremely dense or extremely empty [1]. Compare that e.g. to Germany [2], with 2.4 times the average population density but much more evenly spread out. Pakistan is a bit of a mix of both: three quarters are pretty empty, but the population is spread somewhat evenly over the rest [3] 1: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/California-population-density-based-on-2010-United-States-Census-Bureau_fig11_329198565 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/California-population-de... 2: https://i.redd.it/oz7m4lfy37b51.png https://i.redd.it/oz7m4lfy37b51.png 3: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/fb/11/8efb11c1d9cc698ddca2e477a5f4c98d.png https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/fb/11/8efb11c1d9cc698ddca2...
- bombcar 4y ago
  This is very important - local population density matters much more than some sort of "average" - if California ordered their army into Nevada and added it to their territory, the population density would drop from about 253 to about 154. But nothing at all has changed! Population density is only one aspect of "what it feels like to live somewhere" - local density, land usage, etc all play into it.
- 8bitsrule 4y ago
  In Mountain View, California (~Silicon Valley) the density is 6,700/sq mi.
somenameforme 4y ago
It's really easy to forget how incredibly large a mile is. A single square mile is just under 28 million square feet. A population density of 742/sq mile means each person would have about 37,000 square feet to themselves. Not exactly a struggle for leg room. Large scale population densities don't tell you anything, due to the fact that we have this habit of trying to fit as many of ourselves into the smallest places possible. San Francisco city, for instance, has a population density of 18,634/square mile. And while that's relatively dense it's dwarfed by places like Manila (Philippines) with a density > 111,000 per square mile. And if you want to go full on crazy there was Kowloon Walled City [1] in Hong Kong which had a population density in excess of 5,000,000 per square mile! That number's a bit misleading due to verticality, but not by much! That's probably the most densely packed area of a sizable population that there has ever been, and by a pretty wide margin. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City

mattkrause 4y ago

For context, Montreal is about 4,517 people per km², and New York is about 11,000. I would guess that your number for Pakistan isn't really representative though: it's got dense cities and vast open spaces too.

xeromal 4y ago

I'm not the person you're replying to, but I live out in the country and enjoy the quiet of nature. Seems like it would be hard to have a lot of wildlife, trees, and space in an area where it's 287 per Km^2. I'm not judging btw. It's just not my cup of tea. I live on 5000 M^2 and prefer to have my space. I'm sure that will need to go sometime in the future but we still have plenty of space in the US to fill so I'm hoping it takes some time. lol

ejb999 4y ago
same here - where I live (my town) density is 53 ppl/sq mi - thats what I like - but I also happen to live in a state that has a much more dense population in other areas (one of the top 5 most dense states) - so I live in a dense state, but you wouldn't know it if you looked around the town I actually live.