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> The single-minded minded Web developers with a focus only on styling Again with the attacks. There is no evidence that eg Google uses arbitrary class names

> The single-minded minded Web developers with a focus only on styling Again with the attacks. There is no evidence that eg Google uses arbitrary class names in order to index metadata over the accepted standards of microdata. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structured-data/product https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structure... Given I know what microdata is, when to use it, and how it's different to CSS, I'm not sure what bubble this would be. Perhaps the one that is familiar with Google crawling?

cxr 4y ago
Where do you see an attack there...? That quote is a completely anodyne, factual description. There is zero pejorative (or even emotional content in it, for that matter). > There is no evidence that eg Google uses arbitrary class names in order to[...] Again: who are you arguing with? Every response you've written here has the quality of being written as if addressing someone or something that doesn't even appear in the discussion. > I'm not sure what bubble this would be The one that goes (roughly), "clearly I am addressing a fellow tradesperson who is biased against other factions, and therefore it is reasonable to declare this to be a thinly veiled attack that I have assumed it is". If you spend your time squabbling with colleagues (and/or trying to deflect attacks on Twitter[1]), and when you come across someone you immediately leap to the conclusion that they're working against you[1] on professional–ideological grounds, then there might be some bubble-backed paranoia at work. I don't care about your opinionated in-trade squabbles. I don't occupy either "side" of the debate that you've tried to insert me into* any more than your aunts and uncles and grandparents do. (What are their thoughts on going with Tailwind versus not? I suppose they'll let you know when they get their first client for frontend work and it comes up—or even could come up—right? Me too. Until then...) * and this is all not even to mention—as the other person who responded to you pointed out—that the position you attributed to me is completely opposite of what I actually wrote 1. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22332525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22332525>
- lloydatkinson 4y ago
  You opened by saying that "folks" are using Tailwind CSS instead of your preferred arbitrary class names that would mean nothing to browsers. Tailwind is a styling tool. There is nothing stopping you from using additional random class names you believe might make a difference to search engines - there is also nothing encouraging you to do that either other than a footnote in the HTML spec. I don't know why you don't remember you opened with that, but, after seeing attacks like "single minded", "bubbles", "professional ideological grounds", merely for telling you that in the real world people are not using CSS class names in the way you want them to be and are instead using microdata, I won't be engaging in this pointless debate further. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structured-data/product https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structure...
  - cxr 4y ago
    > There is nothing stopping you from using additional random class names Congratulations on arriving at the realization that matches exactly what I wrote out in my first message. That you can include both was my entire thesis, dude! That you missed that and feel that "single-minded"[1] is an attack[2] explains the conflict here. You're reading things out of comments that aren't actually written there[3] and failing to read out of them what actually is. I'm glad that this exchange is over. 1. <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/single-minded https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/single-minded>: Intensely focused and concentrated on purpose, thinking of only one goal, undistractable. 2. Are you perhaps mistaking it with "small-minded"? 3. That stuff, along with being able to "make a difference to search engines" mentioned, once again. Why? To reiterate—in response to what, exactly? Who are you arguing with?

cxr 4y ago

Where do you see an attack there...? That quote is a completely anodyne, factual description. There is zero pejorative (or even emotional content in it, for that matter). > There is no evidence that eg Google uses arbitrary class names in order to[...] Again: who are you arguing with? Every response you've written here has the quality of being written as if addressing someone or something that doesn't even appear in the discussion. > I'm not sure what bubble this would be The one that goes (roughly), "clearly I am addressing a fellow tradesperson who is biased against other factions, and therefore it is reasonable to declare this to be a thinly veiled attack that I have assumed it is". If you spend your time squabbling with colleagues (and/or trying to deflect attacks on Twitter[1]), and when you come across someone you immediately leap to the conclusion that they're working against you[1] on professional–ideological grounds, then there might be some bubble-backed paranoia at work. I don't care about your opinionated in-trade squabbles. I don't occupy either "side" of the debate that you've tried to insert me into* any more than your aunts and uncles and grandparents do. (What are their thoughts on going with Tailwind versus not? I suppose they'll let you know when they get their first client for frontend work and it comes up—or even could come up—right? Me too. Until then...) * and this is all not even to mention—as the other person who responded to you pointed out—that the position you attributed to me is completely opposite of what I actually wrote 1. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22332525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22332525>

lloydatkinson 4y ago
You opened by saying that "folks" are using Tailwind CSS instead of your preferred arbitrary class names that would mean nothing to browsers. Tailwind is a styling tool. There is nothing stopping you from using additional random class names you believe might make a difference to search engines - there is also nothing encouraging you to do that either other than a footnote in the HTML spec. I don't know why you don't remember you opened with that, but, after seeing attacks like "single minded", "bubbles", "professional ideological grounds", merely for telling you that in the real world people are not using CSS class names in the way you want them to be and are instead using microdata, I won't be engaging in this pointless debate further. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structured-data/product https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structure...
- cxr 4y ago
  > There is nothing stopping you from using additional random class names Congratulations on arriving at the realization that matches exactly what I wrote out in my first message. That you can include both was my entire thesis, dude! That you missed that and feel that "single-minded"[1] is an attack[2] explains the conflict here. You're reading things out of comments that aren't actually written there[3] and failing to read out of them what actually is. I'm glad that this exchange is over. 1. <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/single-minded https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/single-minded>: Intensely focused and concentrated on purpose, thinking of only one goal, undistractable. 2. Are you perhaps mistaking it with "small-minded"? 3. That stuff, along with being able to "make a difference to search engines" mentioned, once again. Why? To reiterate—in response to what, exactly? Who are you arguing with?