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He also had Kristin Beck, former Navy Seal who is transgender. The parent post is someone who doesn’t listen to Rogan, and a perfect example of someone that ca

He also had Kristin Beck, former Navy Seal who is transgender. The parent post is someone who doesn’t listen to Rogan, and a perfect example of someone that casts Rogan as a transphobe because he dares to not tow 100% of the views that they want him to. This type of philosophical fascism is what is ruining our world today.

sascha_sl 4y ago
- Veen 4y ago
  It's interesting you name two trans women who have said how much they enjoy beating the shit out of cisgender women. In Fallon's case, she boasted about fracturing an opponent's skull.
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    What are you appealing to here? It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. And how is it related to the question at all? I am not interested in discussing if Fallon Fox is a good person, good sport or good representative of trans people. I'm discussing Joe Rogan calling her a man being indicative of transphobia on the JRE. Just like OJ Simpson being convicted would not justify calling him the slur with N.
    - hirundo 4y ago
      > It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. For a competitor who has grown up with the (extreme in the case of contact sports) benefit of male hormones to compete with someone without that benefit is something new, at least in this era. It makes injuries more likely ... to the competitor with the female hormone profile. A lot of us feel that it isn't fair. Whatever the explanation, it appears to be a man beating up a woman. Because biologically it is. Sanctioned or not, consensual or not, that's not my preferred entertainment.
      - sascha_sl 4y ago
        I didn't sign up to discuss this, but I'm very careful with people that have only started claiming to care about women's sports after this became a culture war issue. There are a lot of armchair takes that are obviously misinformed about the mechanics of HRT, and a lot of ignoring that most contact sports are already grouped into weight classes exactly because gender is a bad discriminator. I would be in favor of sporting bodies deciding these things on a discipline-by-discipline basis, but at this point christian conservative think tanks (like the ADF) became involved and it has all just turned into such a shitshow that I don't trust anyone in these bodies to be impartial anymore either. If you're interested in a nuanced discussion, may I recommend Mia Mulder[1]? I promise, it's not a straight up arguing for one side exclusively video essay. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4
        hirundo 4y ago
        I would be much more supportive if the biological differences were included along with the weight class, such that a lighter person with testosterone muscles and bones fights a heavier person with estrogen muscles and bones. That is, where the competitors are competitive. But the current ideological environment resists the inclusion of such sex-based factors, on the absurd premise that they are trivial.
        sascha_sl 4y ago
        Are you sure this isn't just an assumption you're making based on your "ideological environment"? How do you know? Have you done the research? Do you actually know if someone who has replaced their testosterone with estrogen retains their "testosterone muscles"? Spoiler: It's complicated, in no way straight forward, and if you descend into the ugly guts of it you'll learn that sports were never fair to begin with, and that we'd need better bracketing systems even if trans people didn't exist to have any semblance of "individual effort" determining outcomes in sports.
        hirundo 4y ago
npc54321 4y ago
These people are just sad man, something lacking in their lives whether it's power sex love or money they are lacking in it and the left just scoops them up into their crusade preying into their shit.

sascha_sl 4y ago

Veen 4y ago
It's interesting you name two trans women who have said how much they enjoy beating the shit out of cisgender women. In Fallon's case, she boasted about fracturing an opponent's skull.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  What are you appealing to here? It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. And how is it related to the question at all? I am not interested in discussing if Fallon Fox is a good person, good sport or good representative of trans people. I'm discussing Joe Rogan calling her a man being indicative of transphobia on the JRE. Just like OJ Simpson being convicted would not justify calling him the slur with N.
  - hirundo 4y ago
    > It's one of the most extreme forms of contact sports, but it's sanctioned. Injuries are commonplace, not something trans people exclusively inflict. For a competitor who has grown up with the (extreme in the case of contact sports) benefit of male hormones to compete with someone without that benefit is something new, at least in this era. It makes injuries more likely ... to the competitor with the female hormone profile. A lot of us feel that it isn't fair. Whatever the explanation, it appears to be a man beating up a woman. Because biologically it is. Sanctioned or not, consensual or not, that's not my preferred entertainment.
    - sascha_sl 4y ago
      I didn't sign up to discuss this, but I'm very careful with people that have only started claiming to care about women's sports after this became a culture war issue. There are a lot of armchair takes that are obviously misinformed about the mechanics of HRT, and a lot of ignoring that most contact sports are already grouped into weight classes exactly because gender is a bad discriminator. I would be in favor of sporting bodies deciding these things on a discipline-by-discipline basis, but at this point christian conservative think tanks (like the ADF) became involved and it has all just turned into such a shitshow that I don't trust anyone in these bodies to be impartial anymore either. If you're interested in a nuanced discussion, may I recommend Mia Mulder[1]? I promise, it's not a straight up arguing for one side exclusively video essay. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdT1PvJDRo4
      - hirundo 4y ago
        I would be much more supportive if the biological differences were included along with the weight class, such that a lighter person with testosterone muscles and bones fights a heavier person with estrogen muscles and bones. That is, where the competitors are competitive. But the current ideological environment resists the inclusion of such sex-based factors, on the absurd premise that they are trivial.
        sascha_sl 4y ago
        Are you sure this isn't just an assumption you're making based on your "ideological environment"? How do you know? Have you done the research? Do you actually know if someone who has replaced their testosterone with estrogen retains their "testosterone muscles"? Spoiler: It's complicated, in no way straight forward, and if you descend into the ugly guts of it you'll learn that sports were never fair to begin with, and that we'd need better bracketing systems even if trans people didn't exist to have any semblance of "individual effort" determining outcomes in sports.
        hirundo 4y ago

npc54321 4y ago

These people are just sad man, something lacking in their lives whether it's power sex love or money they are lacking in it and the left just scoops them up into their crusade preying into their shit.