4 ms·

> At a long desk in the big main room sits an attractive nurse. She offers us an enhancer of B12 or NAD+, through a shot or an IV. There is one and only one in

> At a long desk in the big main room sits an attractive nurse. She offers us an enhancer of B12 or NAD+, through a shot or an IV. There is one and only one indication for parenteral cyancobalamin (B12) administration and that is deficiency thereof due to inadequate production of gastric intrinsic factor or a disease of the terminal ileum. Period. It's hard to take anyone seriously who would encourage podcast guests to receive vitamin B12 injections without documenting deficiency. The evidence on this subject is widely available; so if Mr. Rogan gets this so wrong, where else are his impaired reasoning processes taking his 11M followers?

robbiep 4y ago
Whilst I agree unreservedly about the indications for b12 and it’s complete lack of medical benefit in any other situation, I’ve also experienced sections of the population that definitively require (… not medically, but like present to their GP) injections on a quarterly basis. Specifically Australia’s elderly Hungarian and Eastern European population, it seems to be literally something inbuilt in them to come in and demand it. They swear by it. And as much as I absolutely hate tipping the hat to rubbish complementary and alternative treatments, or which vitamin supplementation has to be amongst the definitively most wasteful, it is simply not possible to convince some people
rtev 4y ago
While it is kind of absurd, to be fair, B12 has documented useful benefits for people that aren’t deficient. Also, your body eliminates any B12 it doesn’t use in urine, so not really any risk of overdose.
darawk 4y ago
> There is one and only one indication for parenteral cyancobalamin (B12) administration and that is deficiency thereof due to inadequate production of gastric intrinsic factor or a disease of the terminal ileum. Period. You are aware of a study of B12 injections in non-deficient individuals indicating no benefit? "No evidence" is not the same thing as "evidence against".
robocat 4y ago
> It's hard to take anyone seriously So you want an authority, rather than to make your mind up yourself? Watching an interview where both participants are less than perfect challenges you to think for yourself. > where else are his impaired reasoning processes taking his 11M followers? The same place everyone is being taken by all the media we consume. It is ironic, but watching someone like Alex Jones forces one to think. The real problem is how do we learn to filter when an “authority” is speaking or writing?
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > Watching an interview where both participants are less than perfect challenges you to think for yourself. if both participants are dead wrong, how is that any good? i mean, would you take programming advice from two guys who have no experience in making actual software? does that actually force you to "think for yourself" or just cause other listeners with no experience to become misinformed, and those with real experience tear their hair out in frustration?
unethical_ban 4y ago
Why do you completely disown the concept of off-label usage for drugs?
freetime2 4y ago
I know it's dumb, but honestly I'd probably take the shot in the same circumstances. Seems unlikely to kill me, and "when in Rome"...

robbiep 4y ago

Whilst I agree unreservedly about the indications for b12 and it’s complete lack of medical benefit in any other situation, I’ve also experienced sections of the population that definitively require (… not medically, but like present to their GP) injections on a quarterly basis. Specifically Australia’s elderly Hungarian and Eastern European population, it seems to be literally something inbuilt in them to come in and demand it. They swear by it. And as much as I absolutely hate tipping the hat to rubbish complementary and alternative treatments, or which vitamin supplementation has to be amongst the definitively most wasteful, it is simply not possible to convince some people

rtev 4y ago

While it is kind of absurd, to be fair, B12 has documented useful benefits for people that aren’t deficient. Also, your body eliminates any B12 it doesn’t use in urine, so not really any risk of overdose.

darawk 4y ago

> There is one and only one indication for parenteral cyancobalamin (B12) administration and that is deficiency thereof due to inadequate production of gastric intrinsic factor or a disease of the terminal ileum. Period. You are aware of a study of B12 injections in non-deficient individuals indicating no benefit? "No evidence" is not the same thing as "evidence against".

robocat 4y ago

> It's hard to take anyone seriously So you want an authority, rather than to make your mind up yourself? Watching an interview where both participants are less than perfect challenges you to think for yourself. > where else are his impaired reasoning processes taking his 11M followers? The same place everyone is being taken by all the media we consume. It is ironic, but watching someone like Alex Jones forces one to think. The real problem is how do we learn to filter when an “authority” is speaking or writing?

andrekandre 4y ago
> Watching an interview where both participants are less than perfect challenges you to think for yourself. if both participants are dead wrong, how is that any good? i mean, would you take programming advice from two guys who have no experience in making actual software? does that actually force you to "think for yourself" or just cause other listeners with no experience to become misinformed, and those with real experience tear their hair out in frustration?

unethical_ban 4y ago

Why do you completely disown the concept of off-label usage for drugs?

freetime2 4y ago

I know it's dumb, but honestly I'd probably take the shot in the same circumstances. Seems unlikely to kill me, and "when in Rome"...