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What I know from the Netherlands, at least from the numbers of hospitalisations, is that for the longest time we counted the number of people that had covid whi

What I know from the Netherlands, at least from the numbers of hospitalisations, is that for the longest time we counted the number of people that had covid while being treated in hospital. This in contrast with most countries that counted the number of people in hospital, because of covid.

nerdponx 4y ago
I remember reading that they were doing this in the US as well during the very early days of the pandemic. If you happened to have Covid in the hospital when you died, you "died from Covid". This of course was perfect material for the Covid hoax conspiracy theorists...
- ajross 4y ago
  That's the way these things always work. There's no way to disentangle true causes of deaths. Influenza death statistics are people who come to health care sick and then die, even when the real cause is "pneumonia" or "heart attack" caused by the infection. You don't know they didn't have another simultaneous infection. You don't know they didn't have a pre-existing cardiac problem. It's just not a resolvable problem. But no one screams about the flu hoax, do they? Your point is being used as an excuse. It's a nitpick to allow people to ignore an obvious conclusion (a whole lot of people died from covid), presumably because they don't want to have been wrong about masks or something.
- MontyCarloHall 4y ago
  For hospitalizations, at least, some states (e.g. New York [0]) did not start distinguishing between “hospitalized due to COVID” from “hospitalized with COVID” until early 2022. [0] https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2022/01/03/how-covid-hospitalization-reporting-will-change-in-new-york- https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-pol...
isitmadeofglass 4y ago
Which is what you should be counting. All the captain hindsight warriors now trying to use numbers now in attempts do discredit the actions taken in response to covid act like we were collecting numbers for their benefits. The reason it was important how many people where in hospital with covid was because we were trying to take measure to prevent overloading the healthcare system. The number of people dead would grow quite rapidly pre vaccine if those affected couldn’t get any medical treatment.

nerdponx 4y ago

I remember reading that they were doing this in the US as well during the very early days of the pandemic. If you happened to have Covid in the hospital when you died, you "died from Covid". This of course was perfect material for the Covid hoax conspiracy theorists...

ajross 4y ago
That's the way these things always work. There's no way to disentangle true causes of deaths. Influenza death statistics are people who come to health care sick and then die, even when the real cause is "pneumonia" or "heart attack" caused by the infection. You don't know they didn't have another simultaneous infection. You don't know they didn't have a pre-existing cardiac problem. It's just not a resolvable problem. But no one screams about the flu hoax, do they? Your point is being used as an excuse. It's a nitpick to allow people to ignore an obvious conclusion (a whole lot of people died from covid), presumably because they don't want to have been wrong about masks or something.
MontyCarloHall 4y ago
For hospitalizations, at least, some states (e.g. New York [0]) did not start distinguishing between “hospitalized due to COVID” from “hospitalized with COVID” until early 2022. [0] https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2022/01/03/how-covid-hospitalization-reporting-will-change-in-new-york- https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-pol...

isitmadeofglass 4y ago

Which is what you should be counting. All the captain hindsight warriors now trying to use numbers now in attempts do discredit the actions taken in response to covid act like we were collecting numbers for their benefits. The reason it was important how many people where in hospital with covid was because we were trying to take measure to prevent overloading the healthcare system. The number of people dead would grow quite rapidly pre vaccine if those affected couldn’t get any medical treatment.