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Telegram is not a privacy-focused messenger. It is not a messenger at all, it is a dialog-based development platform, like WeChat. Most of its value is in publi

Telegram is not a privacy-focused messenger. It is not a messenger at all, it is a dialog-based development platform, like WeChat. Most of its value is in public channels and groups, and bots. It is dead simple to build a useful Telegram bot; good luck doing this on Signal. Wire and Threema are serious privacy-focused messengers. They have all things necessary for good privacy: full E2E, pseudonymous IDs not linked to phone numbers, multiple accounts, ephemeral accounts, side-channel authentication, etc. Signal is something in between. It is not enough for state of the art privacy (as it is linked to phone numbers which are really tightly coupled to real-world identities), and it doesn’t provide a lot of features to be a good development platform. I think it is stuck in its current state, and no longer evolving.

tcfhgj 4y ago
> Wire and Threema are serious privacy-focused messengers. They have all things necessary for good privacy: full E2E, pseudonymous IDs not linked to phone numbers, multiple accounts, ephemeral accounts, side-channel authentication, etc. Matrix offers all that, and bots and public channels
- atemerev 4y ago
  Matrix is good, too. It is not polished enough yet, and they need to work on content discovery, but otherwise I like them, too.
  - deepstack 4y ago
    I think when people compare Matrix/Element a bit differently than all others. It is federated chat client (like email), that along is something worth considering for people who wants to keep their message and communication channel open. All the other chat program, such as What's App, Signal, Wire all belong in the same universe much like AOL back then. Signal actually discourage others from running their own servers. Matrix allows us to have our own domain and address, which is forever ours. If we don't like the provider that is running our server, we can just start our own (just like email). For that along I would rather support a version of Element.io/Matrix.org than another other programs.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
> It is dead simple to build a useful Telegram bot; good luck doing this on Signal. Well, obviously because Telegram officially allows and supports bots and WhatsApp doesn't and actively tries to ban them. Thats more of a policy difference than a technical or conceptual difference IMO.

tcfhgj 4y ago

> Wire and Threema are serious privacy-focused messengers. They have all things necessary for good privacy: full E2E, pseudonymous IDs not linked to phone numbers, multiple accounts, ephemeral accounts, side-channel authentication, etc. Matrix offers all that, and bots and public channels

atemerev 4y ago
Matrix is good, too. It is not polished enough yet, and they need to work on content discovery, but otherwise I like them, too.
- deepstack 4y ago
  I think when people compare Matrix/Element a bit differently than all others. It is federated chat client (like email), that along is something worth considering for people who wants to keep their message and communication channel open. All the other chat program, such as What's App, Signal, Wire all belong in the same universe much like AOL back then. Signal actually discourage others from running their own servers. Matrix allows us to have our own domain and address, which is forever ours. If we don't like the provider that is running our server, we can just start our own (just like email). For that along I would rather support a version of Element.io/Matrix.org than another other programs.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

> It is dead simple to build a useful Telegram bot; good luck doing this on Signal. Well, obviously because Telegram officially allows and supports bots and WhatsApp doesn't and actively tries to ban them. Thats more of a policy difference than a technical or conceptual difference IMO.