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> Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. ... Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave and Vivaldi have always been built on Chromium, because that was the easiest way for th

by jefftk 4y ago

> Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. ... Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave and Vivaldi have always been built on Chromium, because that was the easiest way for them to get started as new browsers. There wasn't some pre-Chromium version of either that was killed.*

jacooper 4y ago
Also its just simply the best engine on the market.
- bpye 4y ago
  Is it the best or does it just _seem_ to be the best as most web content is only tested on Chrome, or Chrome and mobile Safari perhaps?
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Hate to say it, but I used to have the job of testing on Firefox and (at least at the time) no, Chrome was the best. The number of irritating little performance regressions we'd hit when doing anything interesting with the DOM in Firefox was notable (as in, we noted it in the bug-tracker ;) ). Broadly speaking, I began to assume Mozilla didn't have enough real-world integration tests back-stopping changes to their rendering engine. I haven't tested in a few years so that information is stale.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Its technologically better. Especially when talking about security. https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
- maskros 4y ago
  Not true. Firefox is vastly better in terms of rendering quality for scaled and/or transformed raster images. Chrome always sacrifices quality for performance, with no way to choose. Firefox's SVG support is also miles ahead, both in rendering quality and features.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    It's the best engine for building your own browser on top of, which is the main thing someone building a browser cares about. This is something the Chrome team has prioritized, and Firefox has not.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    This is only a part of a browser engine. Security? Website isolation? Performance? And many other things are just simply better in chromium. https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht... Yes Google is abusing its influence on chromium, but one must admit, its simply the best engine out there.
    - maskros 4y ago
      Chrome has crap image rendering. Chrome has sub-par SVG support. Chrome has a host of issues and bugs with media selectors and imagesets not updating dynamically when changing zoom levels. So no, one must not admit it is "simply the best engine out there". Not by a long shot.
      - jacooper 4y ago
        This is only a section of what a browser does. The features, the speed, the security, are all better on chromium.
mastazi 4y ago
> There wasn't some pre-Chromium version of either that was killed.* Not true. Brave was initially based on Gecko https://brave.com/the-road-to-brave-one-dot-zero/ https://brave.com/the-road-to-brave-one-dot-zero/
- jefftk 4y ago
  The Gecko-based version was a prototype that didn't even make it to a public preview release. It was a very early attempt that didn't work out.

by jefftk 4y ago

jacooper 4y ago

Also its just simply the best engine on the market.

bpye 4y ago
Is it the best or does it just _seem_ to be the best as most web content is only tested on Chrome, or Chrome and mobile Safari perhaps?
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Hate to say it, but I used to have the job of testing on Firefox and (at least at the time) no, Chrome was the best. The number of irritating little performance regressions we'd hit when doing anything interesting with the DOM in Firefox was notable (as in, we noted it in the bug-tracker ;) ). Broadly speaking, I began to assume Mozilla didn't have enough real-world integration tests back-stopping changes to their rendering engine. I haven't tested in a few years so that information is stale.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Its technologically better. Especially when talking about security. https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
maskros 4y ago
Not true. Firefox is vastly better in terms of rendering quality for scaled and/or transformed raster images. Chrome always sacrifices quality for performance, with no way to choose. Firefox's SVG support is also miles ahead, both in rendering quality and features.
- jefftk 4y ago
  It's the best engine for building your own browser on top of, which is the main thing someone building a browser cares about. This is something the Chrome team has prioritized, and Firefox has not.
- jacooper 4y ago
  This is only a part of a browser engine. Security? Website isolation? Performance? And many other things are just simply better in chromium. https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht... Yes Google is abusing its influence on chromium, but one must admit, its simply the best engine out there.
  - maskros 4y ago
    Chrome has crap image rendering. Chrome has sub-par SVG support. Chrome has a host of issues and bugs with media selectors and imagesets not updating dynamically when changing zoom levels. So no, one must not admit it is "simply the best engine out there". Not by a long shot.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      This is only a section of what a browser does. The features, the speed, the security, are all better on chromium.

mastazi 4y ago

> There wasn't some pre-Chromium version of either that was killed.* Not true. Brave was initially based on Gecko https://brave.com/the-road-to-brave-one-dot-zero/ https://brave.com/the-road-to-brave-one-dot-zero/

jefftk 4y ago
The Gecko-based version was a prototype that didn't even make it to a public preview release. It was a very early attempt that didn't work out.