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> but the media/government has been painting all those opposing the Covid measures as right Idk about you, but waving flags of the German Reich, following know

> but the media/government has been painting all those opposing the Covid measures as right Idk about you, but waving flags of the German Reich, following known Neo-Nazis and attending events of far-right organizations, while spreading lies and slogans that originate from right-wing conspiracy theorists, seems kinda right-wingy to me.

neverrroot 4y ago
Never claim there are no such people. But to try to paint a picture as e.g. most of mainstream media did and some still do, that only such kind of people protest the measures etc. is not correct.
- mr_mitm 4y ago
  I remember lots of documentations on TV and interviews with social scientists that emphasize that the Covid protests in Germany are weirdly originating from a very broad spectrum, with lots of alternative and esoteric groups, which aren't right wing at all. The Verfassungsschutz even had to invent a new category: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenker-103.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenke... Some examples of mainstream media that emphasize the heterogeneous nature of these protests: https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-corona-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-c... https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrationen-ein-dialog-ist-dann-nicht-mehr-moeglich-a-1db7a796-988a-42ed-a922-1c4861aacf37 https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrat... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hippies-und-neonazis-1.5015129 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hi... https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanzende-hippies-neben-rechtsextremen-und-verschworungstheoretikern-was-will-sie-esoterikszene-QMRYIWRQLNCP5N5GGWMK7V53LM.html https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanz... https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-querdenker-im-suedwesten-haben-linke-wurzeln-17647165.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-q... So I don't think your assessment is fair.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    I also remember analysis that this broad spectrum was circumvented, and heavily influenced by the far right.
    - mr_mitm 4y ago
      Well, then post some sources.
  - BurningPenguin 4y ago
    I actually grew up with esoterics due to my mom. The major problem is, that they don't accept facts that are verifiable by scientific means. They think everything is subjective and therefore everything you can think of is somehow true. This makes them especially perceptible to propaganda efforts, which is why there is a distinct brown flavor to many esoteric practices and theories. They may not be considered right-wing, but they are falling quite easily for those rat catchers. Just take the "Truther" movement. Those guys were readily spreading antisemtic bullshit in the last 20 years. They were quite successful in the esoteric scene.
    - neverrroot 4y ago
      I would argue nowadays it’s very difficult to discern what is the true science and what is just preached as being the science. Even giving the best intent, things are murky if you’re not biased. Let’s take this tweet for example: https://twitter.com/martinkulldorff/status/1564590337137549313 https://twitter.com/martinkulldorff/status/15645903371375493... The look at Great Barrington Declaration. Then look at what the vaccines were promised to do by the authorities and politicians in power, and what the outcome truly was.

neverrroot 4y ago

Never claim there are no such people. But to try to paint a picture as e.g. most of mainstream media did and some still do, that only such kind of people protest the measures etc. is not correct.

mr_mitm 4y ago
I remember lots of documentations on TV and interviews with social scientists that emphasize that the Covid protests in Germany are weirdly originating from a very broad spectrum, with lots of alternative and esoteric groups, which aren't right wing at all. The Verfassungsschutz even had to invent a new category: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenker-103.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenke... Some examples of mainstream media that emphasize the heterogeneous nature of these protests: https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-corona-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-c... https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrationen-ein-dialog-ist-dann-nicht-mehr-moeglich-a-1db7a796-988a-42ed-a922-1c4861aacf37 https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrat... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hippies-und-neonazis-1.5015129 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hi... https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanzende-hippies-neben-rechtsextremen-und-verschworungstheoretikern-was-will-sie-esoterikszene-QMRYIWRQLNCP5N5GGWMK7V53LM.html https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanz... https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-querdenker-im-suedwesten-haben-linke-wurzeln-17647165.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-q... So I don't think your assessment is fair.
- hef19898 4y ago
  I also remember analysis that this broad spectrum was circumvented, and heavily influenced by the far right.
  - mr_mitm 4y ago
    Well, then post some sources.
- BurningPenguin 4y ago
  I actually grew up with esoterics due to my mom. The major problem is, that they don't accept facts that are verifiable by scientific means. They think everything is subjective and therefore everything you can think of is somehow true. This makes them especially perceptible to propaganda efforts, which is why there is a distinct brown flavor to many esoteric practices and theories. They may not be considered right-wing, but they are falling quite easily for those rat catchers. Just take the "Truther" movement. Those guys were readily spreading antisemtic bullshit in the last 20 years. They were quite successful in the esoteric scene.
  - neverrroot 4y ago
    I would argue nowadays it’s very difficult to discern what is the true science and what is just preached as being the science. Even giving the best intent, things are murky if you’re not biased. Let’s take this tweet for example: https://twitter.com/martinkulldorff/status/1564590337137549313 https://twitter.com/martinkulldorff/status/15645903371375493... The look at Great Barrington Declaration. Then look at what the vaccines were promised to do by the authorities and politicians in power, and what the outcome truly was.