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The Pirate Bay was openly defying copyright as defined in just about every country except Sweden with barely any legitimate use. It’s a household name for lawle

The Pirate Bay was openly defying copyright as defined in just about every country except Sweden with barely any legitimate use. It’s a household name for lawlessness. That’s really not comparable to a vpn service if a significant proportion of users are using it to legitimately protect against privacy invasion when using an open WiFi network.

dewey 4y ago
> if a significant proportion of users are using it to legitimately protect against privacy invasion when using an open WiFi network How do you know? It could also just be "terrorism" and "child pornography" and that's often reason enough. Similar to the current discussion about banning Telegram in Germany: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/01/26/germany-considers-banning-telegram-app-accused-of-facilitating-hate-speech https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/01/26/germany-consid...
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  You don’t need to actually know, it’s enough to extrapolate from their own advertising material and the general public sentiment. Besides, if it’s “terrorism” and “child pornography” the vpn endpoints would attract attention quickly enough. It’s not like a VPN is a magical anonymous entry into the internet, it just changes the location and mixes your traffic with other customers’.
  - dewey 4y ago
    > You don’t need to actually know, it’s enough to extrapolate from their own advertising material and the general public sentiment. I'm pretty sure if someone is determined enough to shut down a service or force them to add logging they don't really care about the marketing material of said service. Just like EncroChat didn't brand themselves as phone brand for organized crime. I there's an entity that wants WireGuard to add logging they'll make up a "terrorism" reason and all the existing "anti-terrorism" laws will open many doors to do just that.
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      Sure but with no evidence either way the task of proving it to a judge, politicians or the general public could be done pretty effectively using the companies marketing material or general public sentiment. Encrochat was never really taken down, it took itself down because it was cracked and so lost its sole asset, the secrecy of the communications.

dewey 4y ago

> if a significant proportion of users are using it to legitimately protect against privacy invasion when using an open WiFi network How do you know? It could also just be "terrorism" and "child pornography" and that's often reason enough. Similar to the current discussion about banning Telegram in Germany: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/01/26/germany-considers-banning-telegram-app-accused-of-facilitating-hate-speech https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/01/26/germany-consid...

tinus_hn 4y ago
You don’t need to actually know, it’s enough to extrapolate from their own advertising material and the general public sentiment. Besides, if it’s “terrorism” and “child pornography” the vpn endpoints would attract attention quickly enough. It’s not like a VPN is a magical anonymous entry into the internet, it just changes the location and mixes your traffic with other customers’.
- dewey 4y ago
  > You don’t need to actually know, it’s enough to extrapolate from their own advertising material and the general public sentiment. I'm pretty sure if someone is determined enough to shut down a service or force them to add logging they don't really care about the marketing material of said service. Just like EncroChat didn't brand themselves as phone brand for organized crime. I there's an entity that wants WireGuard to add logging they'll make up a "terrorism" reason and all the existing "anti-terrorism" laws will open many doors to do just that.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    Sure but with no evidence either way the task of proving it to a judge, politicians or the general public could be done pretty effectively using the companies marketing material or general public sentiment. Encrochat was never really taken down, it took itself down because it was cracked and so lost its sole asset, the secrecy of the communications.