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Yes, a lot of pressure from the leftist government. Many channels opposing the German Covid policy (one of a kind in Europe, very strict) are to be found in Tel

Yes, a lot of pressure from the leftist government. Many channels opposing the German Covid policy (one of a kind in Europe, very strict) are to be found in Telegram. As always, there is also some German right in Telegram. The government is officially after them, but the media/government has been painting all those opposing the Covid measures as right, so… it’s tricky.

bowsamic 4y ago
> (one of a kind in Europe, very strict) This is wrong. The German COVID policy is not strict at all. There is a 5 day isolation if you test positive, and you usually have to wear a mask on public transport. That's literally it.
- neverrroot 4y ago
  Compare it for the whole of 2022. Also still in Germany, some people can/will lose their job if they don’t take the jab. Now I’m not affected by this, but my sister was. She decided to move country instead of getting vaccinated again.
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    > Compare it for the whole of 2022 Why should I do that?
BurningPenguin 4y ago
> but the media/government has been painting all those opposing the Covid measures as right Idk about you, but waving flags of the German Reich, following known Neo-Nazis and attending events of far-right organizations, while spreading lies and slogans that originate from right-wing conspiracy theorists, seems kinda right-wingy to me.
- neverrroot 4y ago
  Never claim there are no such people. But to try to paint a picture as e.g. most of mainstream media did and some still do, that only such kind of people protest the measures etc. is not correct.
  - mr_mitm 4y ago
    I remember lots of documentations on TV and interviews with social scientists that emphasize that the Covid protests in Germany are weirdly originating from a very broad spectrum, with lots of alternative and esoteric groups, which aren't right wing at all. The Verfassungsschutz even had to invent a new category: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenker-103.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenke... Some examples of mainstream media that emphasize the heterogeneous nature of these protests: https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-corona-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-c... https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrationen-ein-dialog-ist-dann-nicht-mehr-moeglich-a-1db7a796-988a-42ed-a922-1c4861aacf37 https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrat... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hippies-und-neonazis-1.5015129 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hi... https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanzende-hippies-neben-rechtsextremen-und-verschworungstheoretikern-was-will-sie-esoterikszene-QMRYIWRQLNCP5N5GGWMK7V53LM.html https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanz... https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-querdenker-im-suedwesten-haben-linke-wurzeln-17647165.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-q... So I don't think your assessment is fair.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      I also remember analysis that this broad spectrum was circumvented, and heavily influenced by the far right.
      - mr_mitm 4y ago
        Well, then post some sources.
    - 4y ago
hef19898 4y ago
You do know that the "leftist" government came to power last year? And that the Merkel-CDU-conservative led government that put those "harsh" measures in place? And that the oeftist government coalition includes the FDP, liberals whose economic positions are almost GOP like?

bowsamic 4y ago

> (one of a kind in Europe, very strict) This is wrong. The German COVID policy is not strict at all. There is a 5 day isolation if you test positive, and you usually have to wear a mask on public transport. That's literally it.

neverrroot 4y ago
Compare it for the whole of 2022. Also still in Germany, some people can/will lose their job if they don’t take the jab. Now I’m not affected by this, but my sister was. She decided to move country instead of getting vaccinated again.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  > Compare it for the whole of 2022 Why should I do that?

BurningPenguin 4y ago

> but the media/government has been painting all those opposing the Covid measures as right Idk about you, but waving flags of the German Reich, following known Neo-Nazis and attending events of far-right organizations, while spreading lies and slogans that originate from right-wing conspiracy theorists, seems kinda right-wingy to me.

neverrroot 4y ago
Never claim there are no such people. But to try to paint a picture as e.g. most of mainstream media did and some still do, that only such kind of people protest the measures etc. is not correct.
- mr_mitm 4y ago
  I remember lots of documentations on TV and interviews with social scientists that emphasize that the Covid protests in Germany are weirdly originating from a very broad spectrum, with lots of alternative and esoteric groups, which aren't right wing at all. The Verfassungsschutz even had to invent a new category: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenker-103.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/verfassungsschutz-querdenke... Some examples of mainstream media that emphasize the heterogeneous nature of these protests: https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-corona-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/esoterik-impfgegner-c... https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrationen-ein-dialog-ist-dann-nicht-mehr-moeglich-a-1db7a796-988a-42ed-a922-1c4861aacf37 https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/corona-demonstrat... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hippies-und-neonazis-1.5015129 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-demos-zwischen-hi... https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanzende-hippies-neben-rechtsextremen-und-verschworungstheoretikern-was-will-sie-esoterikszene-QMRYIWRQLNCP5N5GGWMK7V53LM.html https://www.rnd.de/panorama/esoteriker-auf-corona-demos-tanz... https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-querdenker-im-suedwesten-haben-linke-wurzeln-17647165.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-proteste-q... So I don't think your assessment is fair.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    I also remember analysis that this broad spectrum was circumvented, and heavily influenced by the far right.
    - mr_mitm 4y ago
      Well, then post some sources.
  - 4y ago

hef19898 4y ago

You do know that the "leftist" government came to power last year? And that the Merkel-CDU-conservative led government that put those "harsh" measures in place? And that the oeftist government coalition includes the FDP, liberals whose economic positions are almost GOP like?