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As someone who learn programming relatively late, the only thing i know about Smalltalk is it highly influenced Python. However, I just checked Wikipedia articl

As someone who learn programming relatively late, the only thing i know about Smalltalk is it highly influenced Python. However, I just checked Wikipedia article about Python [1], it has no mention of Smalltalk. Did I just remember it wrong or there is more to it? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)

pfarrell 4y ago
I wasn’t aware of a Python connection (not saying there isn’t one) but Smalltalk definitely influenced Ruby. I think if it as a more direct descendent with the way objects pervade it and how “everything is an expression.”
- andrewl 4y ago
  Yes, Yukihiro Matsumoto, who created Ruby, took inspiration from Smalltalk and Perl, among other languages.
bmitc 4y ago
I think you remembered it wrong. I personally have never heard of such a connection. Python is somewhat notorious for ignoring languages like ML, Lisp/Scheme, and Smalltalk dialects.
- thrdbndndn 4y ago
  Thanks, probably just remembered it wrong. Which language influenced Python most, if there is one?
  - z3c0 4y ago
    I have heard that ABC was worked on by Van Rossum, and that it influenced a lot of his design choices in python.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    What you may be misremembering is the fact that Smalltalk was a profound influence on Ruby.
  - earthicus 4y ago
    "Python's predecessor, ABC, was inspired by SETL -- Lambert Meertens spent a year with the SETL group at NYU before coming up with the final ABC design!" --Guido van Rossum https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-August/008881.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-August/008...
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Also heavily influenced by C, its first implementation language. Many modules and interfaces are thin wrappers to C. Think os, socket, select, string method names, etc.
noneeeed 4y ago
It’s Ruby that was influenced by small talk, especially its approach to OOP.
Rochus 4y ago
> the only thing i know about Smalltalk is it highly influenced Python Which is wrong. See e.g. http://python-history.blogspot.com/2013/10/origin-of-metaclasses-in-python.html http://python-history.blogspot.com/2013/10/origin-of-metacla...: "I was only vaguely aware of Smalltalk at the time; I remember being surprised by its use of metaclasses (which is quite different from that in Python or Ruby!) when I read about them much later."
pedrow 4y ago
Also it influenced Objective-C[0] - it's mostly C with message passing added to it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C
zelphirkalt 4y ago
Ruby is the one heavily influenced by Smalltalk. Python I am not so sure.

pfarrell 4y ago

I wasn’t aware of a Python connection (not saying there isn’t one) but Smalltalk definitely influenced Ruby. I think if it as a more direct descendent with the way objects pervade it and how “everything is an expression.”

andrewl 4y ago
Yes, Yukihiro Matsumoto, who created Ruby, took inspiration from Smalltalk and Perl, among other languages.

bmitc 4y ago

I think you remembered it wrong. I personally have never heard of such a connection. Python is somewhat notorious for ignoring languages like ML, Lisp/Scheme, and Smalltalk dialects.

thrdbndndn 4y ago
Thanks, probably just remembered it wrong. Which language influenced Python most, if there is one?
- z3c0 4y ago
  I have heard that ABC was worked on by Van Rossum, and that it influenced a lot of his design choices in python.
- bitwize 4y ago
  What you may be misremembering is the fact that Smalltalk was a profound influence on Ruby.
- earthicus 4y ago
  "Python's predecessor, ABC, was inspired by SETL -- Lambert Meertens spent a year with the SETL group at NYU before coming up with the final ABC design!" --Guido van Rossum https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-August/008881.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-August/008...
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Also heavily influenced by C, its first implementation language. Many modules and interfaces are thin wrappers to C. Think os, socket, select, string method names, etc.

noneeeed 4y ago

It’s Ruby that was influenced by small talk, especially its approach to OOP.

Rochus 4y ago

> the only thing i know about Smalltalk is it highly influenced Python Which is wrong. See e.g. http://python-history.blogspot.com/2013/10/origin-of-metaclasses-in-python.html http://python-history.blogspot.com/2013/10/origin-of-metacla...: "I was only vaguely aware of Smalltalk at the time; I remember being surprised by its use of metaclasses (which is quite different from that in Python or Ruby!) when I read about them much later."

pedrow 4y ago

Also it influenced Objective-C[0] - it's mostly C with message passing added to it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C

zelphirkalt 4y ago

Ruby is the one heavily influenced by Smalltalk. Python I am not so sure.