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The problem with Berlin is than there are many operators for public transport by train: * U-Bahn, for the subways (underground & aerial) * S-Bahn, for sub-urb

The problem with Berlin is than there are many operators for public transport by train: * U-Bahn, for the subways (underground & aerial) * S-Bahn, for sub-urban lines (mostly aerial) * Traway in est-Berlin A map, live or not need at least to combine the U-Bahn and the S-Bahn, (and if possible the tramway too), because you generally need to use both networks (with the same ticket) to travel. Staying in only one of the network is just not practical.

dewey 4y ago
This exists, built by the VBB: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32647874 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32647874
- derhuerst 4y ago
  Note that this also just interpolates the vehicles' positions based on their delay, which in turn is calculated based on periodic pings that the vehicle sends AFAIK. So the map does not show realtime positions in the same sense as e.g. HSL's trip planner does. [1][2] [1] In the departures section on the left, tap on one of the upcoming departures to see the vehicle in realtime: https://reittiopas.hsl.fi/terminaalit/HSL%3A1000105?locale=en https://reittiopas.hsl.fi/terminaalit/HSL%3A1000105?locale=e... [2] https://digitransit.fi/en/developers/apis/4-realtime-api/vehicle-positions/ https://digitransit.fi/en/developers/apis/4-realtime-api/veh...
lqet 4y ago
How about this one? It also includes the rest of Germany: https://travic.app/?z=13&x=1493233.2&y=6894127.0 https://travic.app/?z=13&x=1493233.2&y=6894127.0
- japanuspus 4y ago
  Thank you for posting this: This also has the Danish real time data presented in a much cleaner way than the various web services of our local operators.
- derhuerst 4y ago
  Even though it is a great project/product, note that it does not have realtime data in Berlin/Brandenburg. It interpolates the position based on schedule data [1]. [1] I assume based on https://daten.berlin.de/datensaetze/vbb-fahrplandaten-gtfs https://daten.berlin.de/datensaetze/vbb-fahrplandaten-gtfs
  - codethief 4y ago
    Aw, too bad. Here I was, already getting excited that they had real-time data.
    - derhuerst 4y ago
      AFAIK they do in some places where realtime data is available under and open license and in an acceptable format, e.g. in Switzerland. shameless plug: I build a tool that polls VBB's (or any other compatible) API and produces a GTFS-Realtime feed. [1] [1] https://github.com/derhuerst/berlin-gtfs-rt-server https://github.com/derhuerst/berlin-gtfs-rt-server
floodle 4y ago
When you say "operator": isn't it all BVG?
- thekingofrome 4y ago
  The S-Bahn is run exclusively by the DB subsidiary S-Bahn Berlin
derhuerst 4y ago
It's such a shame that the official Tram network map [1] almost fits the U-Bahn/S-Bahn map [2], but not exactly. My assumption is that, when BVG designed these, they had separate maps in mind already early in the process, because including all station names on a tiny printed map is not feasible. With those transparent maps at the trams' windows though, or especially with a digital zoomable map, this would be completely feasible. According to a BVG email from a few years ago, there isn't even a machine-readable version of this map, which is why I hand-digitised it. [3] So sad because the creativeness of the internet combined with a "remixabe" [4] (or at least forkable) version would likely kick off cool projects! If anyone wants to attempt merging them, please open an Issue in [5] to let me know! PS: Do you know about the (experimental) BVG bus map? [6] [1] https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:d45105f2-6752-4ec5-b882-8936572053c3/TramMetro_10_2021-Internetversion.pdf https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:d45105f2-6752-4ec5-b882-893657205... [2] https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:60a89e3b-f88d-4d48-b8a6-98ab340ada05/S+U-Bahn_12_2021-Internetversion-BVG.pdf https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:60a89e3b-f88d-4d48-b8a6-98ab340ad... [3] https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map/issues/7#issuecomment-418335028 https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map/issues/7#is... [4] https://github.com/derhuerst/remix-bvg-map-frontend https://github.com/derhuerst/remix-bvg-map-frontend [5] https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map [6] https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:ee4647c3-ce1e-4b0a-9546-b1848b85ee7e/bvg_busliniennetz202204.pdf https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:ee4647c3-ce1e-4b0a-9546-b1848b85e...
- dewey 4y ago
  Thanks for the experimental bus map, I wasn't aware of that one!
jkukul 4y ago
There's actually a button in the upper right corner to enable both S+U Bahn! Although the app gets a little sluggish for me when I enable them both.

dewey 4y ago

This exists, built by the VBB: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32647874 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32647874

derhuerst 4y ago
Note that this also just interpolates the vehicles' positions based on their delay, which in turn is calculated based on periodic pings that the vehicle sends AFAIK. So the map does not show realtime positions in the same sense as e.g. HSL's trip planner does. [1][2] [1] In the departures section on the left, tap on one of the upcoming departures to see the vehicle in realtime: https://reittiopas.hsl.fi/terminaalit/HSL%3A1000105?locale=en https://reittiopas.hsl.fi/terminaalit/HSL%3A1000105?locale=e... [2] https://digitransit.fi/en/developers/apis/4-realtime-api/vehicle-positions/ https://digitransit.fi/en/developers/apis/4-realtime-api/veh...

lqet 4y ago

How about this one? It also includes the rest of Germany: https://travic.app/?z=13&x=1493233.2&y=6894127.0 https://travic.app/?z=13&x=1493233.2&y=6894127.0

japanuspus 4y ago
Thank you for posting this: This also has the Danish real time data presented in a much cleaner way than the various web services of our local operators.
derhuerst 4y ago
Even though it is a great project/product, note that it does not have realtime data in Berlin/Brandenburg. It interpolates the position based on schedule data [1]. [1] I assume based on https://daten.berlin.de/datensaetze/vbb-fahrplandaten-gtfs https://daten.berlin.de/datensaetze/vbb-fahrplandaten-gtfs
- codethief 4y ago
  Aw, too bad. Here I was, already getting excited that they had real-time data.
  - derhuerst 4y ago
    AFAIK they do in some places where realtime data is available under and open license and in an acceptable format, e.g. in Switzerland. shameless plug: I build a tool that polls VBB's (or any other compatible) API and produces a GTFS-Realtime feed. [1] [1] https://github.com/derhuerst/berlin-gtfs-rt-server https://github.com/derhuerst/berlin-gtfs-rt-server

floodle 4y ago

When you say "operator": isn't it all BVG?

thekingofrome 4y ago
The S-Bahn is run exclusively by the DB subsidiary S-Bahn Berlin

derhuerst 4y ago

It's such a shame that the official Tram network map [1] almost fits the U-Bahn/S-Bahn map [2], but not exactly. My assumption is that, when BVG designed these, they had separate maps in mind already early in the process, because including all station names on a tiny printed map is not feasible. With those transparent maps at the trams' windows though, or especially with a digital zoomable map, this would be completely feasible. According to a BVG email from a few years ago, there isn't even a machine-readable version of this map, which is why I hand-digitised it. [3] So sad because the creativeness of the internet combined with a "remixabe" [4] (or at least forkable) version would likely kick off cool projects! If anyone wants to attempt merging them, please open an Issue in [5] to let me know! PS: Do you know about the (experimental) BVG bus map? [6] [1] https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:d45105f2-6752-4ec5-b882-8936572053c3/TramMetro_10_2021-Internetversion.pdf https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:d45105f2-6752-4ec5-b882-893657205... [2] https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:60a89e3b-f88d-4d48-b8a6-98ab340ada05/S+U-Bahn_12_2021-Internetversion-BVG.pdf https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:60a89e3b-f88d-4d48-b8a6-98ab340ad... [3] https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map/issues/7#issuecomment-418335028 https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map/issues/7#is... [4] https://github.com/derhuerst/remix-bvg-map-frontend https://github.com/derhuerst/remix-bvg-map-frontend [5] https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map https://github.com/derhuerst/bvg-topological-map [6] https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:ee4647c3-ce1e-4b0a-9546-b1848b85ee7e/bvg_busliniennetz202204.pdf https://www.bvg.de/dam/jcr:ee4647c3-ce1e-4b0a-9546-b1848b85e...

dewey 4y ago
Thanks for the experimental bus map, I wasn't aware of that one!

jkukul 4y ago

There's actually a button in the upper right corner to enable both S+U Bahn! Although the app gets a little sluggish for me when I enable them both.