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> If government comes to you and says you must send data here and there or log this and that and you must not tell anybody about it, then you have to comply and

> If government comes to you and says you must send data here and there or log this and that and you must not tell anybody about it, then you have to comply and you can't do much about it even with your best intentions. There is some nuclear options https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit#Suspension_and_gag_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit#Suspension_and_gag_ord...

silviot 4y ago
Even if you go the nuclear option, you might risk being arrested: > Levison said that he could be arrested for closing the site instead of releasing the information, and it was reported that the federal prosecutor's office had sent Levison's lawyer an email to that effect.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > Even if you go the nuclear option, you might risk being arrested: Surely, in a free society, you are free to close down your business for whatever reason you want? Someone might feel like the business is no longer fun to run for X reason, it just happen to have coincided with law enforcement wanting to add wiretaps.
  - DistractionRect 4y ago
    He is free to close down his business//not take on new customers, but that doesn't change his non compliance with a warrant for previous customer information. Much like you are free to destroy your belongings in general, but not once their is or there will be a legal order for their surrender (I.e. Destruction of evidence).
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    > Surely, in a free society, you are free to close down your business for whatever reason you want? Sure, but it’s not something you can do within a day. You need to settle your legal obligations.
edm0nd 4y ago
My favorite memory of this is when the founder provided his private keys but as a print out in like size 0.5 font. The Lavabit founder made the right decision instead of letting law enforcement tap his servers.
- shard 4y ago
  Regarding printing it in 0.5 font, I don't think this kind of passive-aggressive rebellious act accomplishes anything, and actually highlights how powerless he is. It caused extra work and frustration for the poor guy who got handed the job of transferring the private key from paper, but nobody else was bothered. His shutting down the service was much more of a stance.
  - edm0nd 4y ago
    I mean good. The NSA request was unjust so fuck the person having to type in the private keys lol.

silviot 4y ago

Even if you go the nuclear option, you might risk being arrested: > Levison said that he could be arrested for closing the site instead of releasing the information, and it was reported that the federal prosecutor's office had sent Levison's lawyer an email to that effect.

capableweb 4y ago
> Even if you go the nuclear option, you might risk being arrested: Surely, in a free society, you are free to close down your business for whatever reason you want? Someone might feel like the business is no longer fun to run for X reason, it just happen to have coincided with law enforcement wanting to add wiretaps.
- DistractionRect 4y ago
  He is free to close down his business//not take on new customers, but that doesn't change his non compliance with a warrant for previous customer information. Much like you are free to destroy your belongings in general, but not once their is or there will be a legal order for their surrender (I.e. Destruction of evidence).
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  > Surely, in a free society, you are free to close down your business for whatever reason you want? Sure, but it’s not something you can do within a day. You need to settle your legal obligations.

edm0nd 4y ago

My favorite memory of this is when the founder provided his private keys but as a print out in like size 0.5 font. The Lavabit founder made the right decision instead of letting law enforcement tap his servers.

shard 4y ago
Regarding printing it in 0.5 font, I don't think this kind of passive-aggressive rebellious act accomplishes anything, and actually highlights how powerless he is. It caused extra work and frustration for the poor guy who got handed the job of transferring the private key from paper, but nobody else was bothered. His shutting down the service was much more of a stance.
- edm0nd 4y ago
  I mean good. The NSA request was unjust so fuck the person having to type in the private keys lol.