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> Clinton actually was the better choice; in fact, technically one of the most qualified candidates in history Personally speaking, I did not like how she and

> Clinton actually was the better choice; in fact, technically one of the most qualified candidates in history Personally speaking, I did not like how she and her colluders ran down the Sanders campaign. Their characterization of his supporters as sexists and racist was fundamentally, profoundly dishonest. They could have addressed his policy proposals, but went the other way. This led me to understand that this would be what we could expect from her Presidency. Before that, I was open to Clinton. After her loss, I had been hoping for a Democratic party introspection about the way they had run this campaign and a house cleaning. Instead, we got enablers, diversion and outright lies. A shuffling of the worst actors, but no purge. Extremely disappointing. We still have never had an honest accounting for that debacle, and I remember and distrust every news outlet and commentator that repeated those lies. I want to be clear that I did not vote for Trump, either. But he was not the worst President in my living memory. That honor goes to the President who lied to the public in order to get us into two (2) ruinous, useless wars and did not adequately prepare successfully for the occupation. Honestly, not having tentacles throughout government is a bonus, to my mind.

pstuart 4y ago
I was pissed when the DNC conspired against Sanders. I also think that her politics were of "hold finger in the air to see which way the wind blows" (the antithesis of Sanders). She's also a hawk and too chummy with our corporate overlords. But in the general election not voting for the lesser candidate is effectively voting for the worse candidate (unless done after one's state has been decided). As for worst, your choice is understandable and I'm not going to directly contest it. At least Bush was somebody I'd enjoy having a beer with ;-) And as to the introspection I think a problem with that is that the military is deified and the masses get angry when you diss the troops. Plus ye olde Military Industrial Complex locks in all districts for their share of the loot. Dems suck at messaging, unlike the Right. People in general don't seem to care enough and only want soundbites, which makes it hard to have those discussions because nuance gets lost. Not sure about the tentacles thing.
- rendall 4y ago
  The government has broken its social contract with the people, and it has become an extractive kleptocracy. This happened starting with Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Younger, and yes, Obama. None of these people - nor anyone in Congress - made it better. Not the Republicans, not the Democrats. Trump? Not him either. I tell you, pstuart, Trump was a Hail Mary pass by people who have had everything taken from them by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, and from their perspective they saw only obstruction and lies from the same people who have nothing but contempt for them. And that quiet part out loud? I see plenty of evidence to support that as a theme (and why I asked about your faith). People like yourself, unfortunately. They knew - knew it after decades of betrayal - that their situation would absolutely not have changed under Clinton 2.0 and certainly will not under Biden. These are the people who voted for Trump. Look at them. Really look past your coastal prejudices. Look past what you have been told about these people. If you get squicked, or believe somehow they deserve this, you are not on the side of compassion, to be honest. https://youtu.be/oT7_8S5K9oA?t=834 https://youtu.be/oT7_8S5K9oA?t=834 So, you keep saying I have selective outrage, but then you hammer on Trump and co but give Biden a pass. Me, I give neither a pass. They're both assholes. The same corporate media that's telling you that Trump is bad is also telling you Biden is good. And you do your "gut check" media discrimination. I'll give you a quick smoke test to see whether a media outlet lies. You won't like it, you won't believe me, and if you decide that I'm correct anyway, you'll dismiss its importance, but here goes: If you look back into the archives of a news source, and they said that Trump called Mexicans rapists, then you know they are liars and they lie about other things.

pstuart 4y ago

I was pissed when the DNC conspired against Sanders. I also think that her politics were of "hold finger in the air to see which way the wind blows" (the antithesis of Sanders). She's also a hawk and too chummy with our corporate overlords. But in the general election not voting for the lesser candidate is effectively voting for the worse candidate (unless done after one's state has been decided). As for worst, your choice is understandable and I'm not going to directly contest it. At least Bush was somebody I'd enjoy having a beer with ;-) And as to the introspection I think a problem with that is that the military is deified and the masses get angry when you diss the troops. Plus ye olde Military Industrial Complex locks in all districts for their share of the loot. Dems suck at messaging, unlike the Right. People in general don't seem to care enough and only want soundbites, which makes it hard to have those discussions because nuance gets lost. Not sure about the tentacles thing.

rendall 4y ago
The government has broken its social contract with the people, and it has become an extractive kleptocracy. This happened starting with Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Younger, and yes, Obama. None of these people - nor anyone in Congress - made it better. Not the Republicans, not the Democrats. Trump? Not him either. I tell you, pstuart, Trump was a Hail Mary pass by people who have had everything taken from them by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, and from their perspective they saw only obstruction and lies from the same people who have nothing but contempt for them. And that quiet part out loud? I see plenty of evidence to support that as a theme (and why I asked about your faith). People like yourself, unfortunately. They knew - knew it after decades of betrayal - that their situation would absolutely not have changed under Clinton 2.0 and certainly will not under Biden. These are the people who voted for Trump. Look at them. Really look past your coastal prejudices. Look past what you have been told about these people. If you get squicked, or believe somehow they deserve this, you are not on the side of compassion, to be honest. https://youtu.be/oT7_8S5K9oA?t=834 https://youtu.be/oT7_8S5K9oA?t=834 So, you keep saying I have selective outrage, but then you hammer on Trump and co but give Biden a pass. Me, I give neither a pass. They're both assholes. The same corporate media that's telling you that Trump is bad is also telling you Biden is good. And you do your "gut check" media discrimination. I'll give you a quick smoke test to see whether a media outlet lies. You won't like it, you won't believe me, and if you decide that I'm correct anyway, you'll dismiss its importance, but here goes: If you look back into the archives of a news source, and they said that Trump called Mexicans rapists, then you know they are liars and they lie about other things.