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> You are calling writing a book a miracle? The Quran challenges anyone to bring something like it. The challenge is open. Seeminly easy right? It's gone uncha

> You are calling writing a book a miracle? The Quran challenges anyone to bring something like it. The challenge is open. Seeminly easy right? It's gone unchallenged all these millenia. > Horoscopes also "predict" the future No they don't. The prophecies of Muhammad Prayers of God be upon him are extremely nuanced, from things like the emergence of a green Arabia, to the desolate bedouins competing to build tall towers, to naming individuals and their exact spot where they will die on the battle field, to the intricate and nuanced knowledge he had about other traditions while living in Makkah (https://youtu.be/nTsEZXx8kRg https://youtu.be/nTsEZXx8kRg). More at provingislam.com > You are confusing secular people with materialistic people Materialism as in explaining reality with only a purely materalistic tangible point of view, not monetary materialism. > The book made him famous, but offended a Muslim priest who ordered the doctor to be beaten over the head with his own manuscript, Who was that "Muslim priest"? (we don't have priests in Islam by the way). According to wikipedia (to be taken with a grain of salt): > He spent the last years of his life in his native Rey suffering from glaucoma. His eye affliction started with cataracts and ended in total blindness.[19] The cause of his blindness is uncertain. One account mentioned by Ibn Juljul attributed the cause to a blow to his head by his patron, Mansur ibn Ishaq, for failing to provide proof for his alchemy theories;[20] while Abulfaraj and Casiri claimed that the cause was a diet of beans only If this indeed happened, he would have had the right to seek retribution from a judge. You failed to show that this is a systemic problem as Europe was in the darsk ages. > Even police does not dare to confront when there is open illegal behavior unless it is really serious. What you're describing is not different from what happens in poor ghettos in America. Nothing to do with religion. I'm willing to bet that neighborhood is poor and uneducated. > This is in Asia btw and the US is not meddling here. The West has been meddling for a long long time, if not directly, then indirectly. > That some atheist makes some claims That's not any atheist. Those are the people claiming "enlightenement" and spearheading the atheist movement like Dawkins and his ilk. The difference is that with atheists, there is no moral compass or ultimate reference or authority to confirm or debate their thoughts. Whereas with a religion, we can go back to their scriptures. > Not sure where the "chemical scum" comes from? Stephen Hawking

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> The Quran challenges anyone to bring something like it. The challenge is open. Seeminly easy right? It's gone unchallenged all these millenia. What's that supposed to prove? I know I cannot perform miracles. WTF? > No they don't. The prophecies of Muhammad Prayers of God be upon him are extremely nuanced, from things like the emergence of a green Arabia, to the desolate bedouins competing to build tall towers, to naming individuals and their exact spot where they will die on the battle field, to the intricate and nuanced knowledge he had about other traditions while living in Makkah (https://youtu.be/nTsEZXx8kRg). More at provingislam.com That's why I put the word into quotes. They don't. Same for your prophet. Please show me one prediction with condition, time and place that is in the relative near future. We both will see if it will happen as claimed or not. Not something from the past written in historical stories. Something that you and me can see with our own eyes. > Materialism as in explaining reality with only a purely materalistic tangible point of view, not monetary materialism. I have not said I am a follower of Materialism. Why do you ask me to prove something with it? > Who was that "Muslim priest"? (we don't have priests in Islam by the way). According to wikipedia (to be taken with a grain of salt): It's not my words. Maybe he was a monk. Maybe he was a "scholar". Maybe you call him something else. In the end he'd be some religious person with some kind of authority. > What you're describing is not different from what happens in poor ghettos in America. Nothing to do with religion. I'm willing to bet that neighborhood is poor and uneducated. The neighbourhood while not rich is also not poor compared to the rest of the country. Middle class is where I'd put it. I'm certainly not living in a ghetto. And strangly enough it only applies to the muslim community, not the rest in the area. I agree this happens also in ghettos. > The West has been meddling for a long long time, if not directly, then indirectly. I live here. I am pretty sure the west has zero influence over the local muslims. Who are you to tell me otherwise? I didn't even tell you the country and you claim the west is excerting influence and that this is why the fighting happens. It just shows your blind hate towards the west. > That's not any atheist. Those are the people claiming "enlightenement" and spearheading the atheist movement like Dawkins and his ilk. The difference is that with atheists, there is no moral compass or ultimate reference or authority to confirm or debate their thoughts. Whereas with a religion, we can go back to their scriptures. Why do you need to resort to derogatory words when speaking about people like Dawkins and have to inject praises when talking about your prophet? This is a pattern amongst extremists. I told you numerous times I'm not atheist so why are you trying to argue all the time against atheists? > Stephen Hawking I think you misunderstood his quote. Don't take that description is literal. All he wanted to say is we are in the grand scheme of the universe not the most important thing. Not everything a famous scientist says is to be taken literally and especially not if it's not part of a scientific claim in a paper. He was human and not a robot. Guess what? He can even be wrong! Scientists don't take all his words as gospel. My point stands. That someone said something that is wrong does not invalidate the whole concept of reasoning. Unless there was a claim that all he said was true and "honest news" like a prophet. Nobody claims that.

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> The Quran challenges anyone to bring something like it. The challenge is open. Seeminly easy right? It's gone unchallenged all these millenia. What's that supposed to prove? I know I cannot perform miracles. WTF? > No they don't. The prophecies of Muhammad Prayers of God be upon him are extremely nuanced, from things like the emergence of a green Arabia, to the desolate bedouins competing to build tall towers, to naming individuals and their exact spot where they will die on the battle field, to the intricate and nuanced knowledge he had about other traditions while living in Makkah (https://youtu.be/nTsEZXx8kRg). More at provingislam.com That's why I put the word into quotes. They don't. Same for your prophet. Please show me one prediction with condition, time and place that is in the relative near future. We both will see if it will happen as claimed or not. Not something from the past written in historical stories. Something that you and me can see with our own eyes. > Materialism as in explaining reality with only a purely materalistic tangible point of view, not monetary materialism. I have not said I am a follower of Materialism. Why do you ask me to prove something with it? > Who was that "Muslim priest"? (we don't have priests in Islam by the way). According to wikipedia (to be taken with a grain of salt): It's not my words. Maybe he was a monk. Maybe he was a "scholar". Maybe you call him something else. In the end he'd be some religious person with some kind of authority. > What you're describing is not different from what happens in poor ghettos in America. Nothing to do with religion. I'm willing to bet that neighborhood is poor and uneducated. The neighbourhood while not rich is also not poor compared to the rest of the country. Middle class is where I'd put it. I'm certainly not living in a ghetto. And strangly enough it only applies to the muslim community, not the rest in the area. I agree this happens also in ghettos. > The West has been meddling for a long long time, if not directly, then indirectly. I live here. I am pretty sure the west has zero influence over the local muslims. Who are you to tell me otherwise? I didn't even tell you the country and you claim the west is excerting influence and that this is why the fighting happens. It just shows your blind hate towards the west. > That's not any atheist. Those are the people claiming "enlightenement" and spearheading the atheist movement like Dawkins and his ilk. The difference is that with atheists, there is no moral compass or ultimate reference or authority to confirm or debate their thoughts. Whereas with a religion, we can go back to their scriptures. Why do you need to resort to derogatory words when speaking about people like Dawkins and have to inject praises when talking about your prophet? This is a pattern amongst extremists. I told you numerous times I'm not atheist so why are you trying to argue all the time against atheists? > Stephen Hawking I think you misunderstood his quote. Don't take that description is literal. All he wanted to say is we are in the grand scheme of the universe not the most important thing. Not everything a famous scientist says is to be taken literally and especially not if it's not part of a scientific claim in a paper. He was human and not a robot. Guess what? He can even be wrong! Scientists don't take all his words as gospel. My point stands. That someone said something that is wrong does not invalidate the whole concept of reasoning. Unless there was a claim that all he said was true and "honest news" like a prophet. Nobody claims that.