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> An hardware store that puts a sign for a particular kind of painting is not doing advertising, it's promoting some product because maybe they have better marg

> An hardware store that puts a sign for a particular kind of painting is not doing advertising, it's promoting some product because maybe they have better margins on it or it sold so badly that they wanna get rid of what they have left That sounds like a form of advertising to me. The hardware store is placing something in public view in order to cause a different behavior in the public. That's advertising. Being done in-house, rather than subcontracting out the advertisements to another company, doesn't change its nature. > cross selling serves the purpose of giving customers options related to the product they are buying or using, like a train company asking if you want to buy food. So, cross selling is a form of advertisement, done for a different department within the same company. > cross selling is easy to avoid: just ignore it. I wouldn't say it is easy to "just" ignore any type of advertisement. They are crafted to be as difficult to ignore as possible. > because they are different representations of the same thing. Exactly! Just as a "script" and a "program" are technical terms that are merely different representations of the same thing, calling it "cross selling" or "up selling" or "promotions" are just different representations of advertising. There's no difference to the public between them.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> That sounds like a form of advertising to me Advertising is when they pay you to advertise the product. Advertising is a marketing communication that employs an openly sponsored, non-personal message to promote or sell a product, service or idea. Sponsors of advertising are typically businesses wishing to promote their products or services. Advertising is differentiated from public relations in that an advertiser pays for and has control over the message. It differs from personal selling in that the message is non-personal, i.e., not directed to a particular individual > Exactly! Just as a "script" and a "program" are technical terms that are merely different representations of the same thing, calling it "cross selling" or "up selling" or "promotions" are just different representations of advertising. There's no difference to the public between them. No. Baguette, ciabatta and pita are all different kinds of bread. Just like a script and an executable are both software artifacts. But pizza is not bread, even though it is made with the same ingredients, like a script is not a natively compiled program and an executable cannot be edited in a text editor and be run again or executed on an unsupported architecture. Up/Cross selling is selling, advertising is advertising. If you gloss over the distinction, you could say that Google Ads is the same thing as Amazon, because both display links to products you can buy.
- MereInterest 4y ago
  > Advertising is a marketing communication that employs an openly sponsored, non-personal message to promote or sell a product, service or idea. Applying this definition to cross-selling: > marketing communication Putting a sign out for another product you sell is a form of marketing, and is intended to communicate to the reader. > openly sponsored Cross-selling messaging is openly sponsored by the company, and appears as a message from the company. > non-personal message Cross-selling isn't being sent directly to me, nor is it specifically aimed around me. It may be targeted toward people who fall into a similar category, but it isn't a personal message to me. > to promote or sell Cross-selling is an attempt to sell something. > a product, service, or idea. No restriction here about it being a product/service/idea sold by a different company, so this applies to cross-selling. It meets every part of the definition you gave, and therefore pushes for cross-selling are a form of advertising. Edit: Perhaps you're confused about the use of "that employs"? In this usage, "employs" doesn't mean "has a contractual relationship with" but instead means "uses".
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    of course you forgot the most important part Advertising is differentiated from public relations in that an advertiser pays for and has control over the message me promoting a product I sell is not advertising. It's business. Businesses work on client's trust, promote a bad product, they'll leave you for someone else. Sellers are not advertiser and vice versa. Advertisers don't lose their job if they advertise a bad product, their job is to create a campaign for the product, their reputation does not depend on the quality of the product, but only on the quality of the ad. Adding a feature to a software product is not marketing, it's a way to have an edge on the competition (or be on par) If everything is advertising, than me giving you the phone number of my dentist should be advertising.
    - MereInterest 4y ago
      If I pay for signage, or if I pay somebody else to put up signage, I've paid either way. I also ignored that sentence as it was adding clarification, not changing the initial definition. Giving me the phone number of your dentist would be a personal message, so it wouldn't be "advertising". It also wouldn't be paid for by your dentist, so not advertising.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> That sounds like a form of advertising to me Advertising is when they pay you to advertise the product. Advertising is a marketing communication that employs an openly sponsored, non-personal message to promote or sell a product, service or idea. Sponsors of advertising are typically businesses wishing to promote their products or services. Advertising is differentiated from public relations in that an advertiser pays for and has control over the message. It differs from personal selling in that the message is non-personal, i.e., not directed to a particular individual > Exactly! Just as a "script" and a "program" are technical terms that are merely different representations of the same thing, calling it "cross selling" or "up selling" or "promotions" are just different representations of advertising. There's no difference to the public between them. No. Baguette, ciabatta and pita are all different kinds of bread. Just like a script and an executable are both software artifacts. But pizza is not bread, even though it is made with the same ingredients, like a script is not a natively compiled program and an executable cannot be edited in a text editor and be run again or executed on an unsupported architecture. Up/Cross selling is selling, advertising is advertising. If you gloss over the distinction, you could say that Google Ads is the same thing as Amazon, because both display links to products you can buy.

MereInterest 4y ago
> Advertising is a marketing communication that employs an openly sponsored, non-personal message to promote or sell a product, service or idea. Applying this definition to cross-selling: > marketing communication Putting a sign out for another product you sell is a form of marketing, and is intended to communicate to the reader. > openly sponsored Cross-selling messaging is openly sponsored by the company, and appears as a message from the company. > non-personal message Cross-selling isn't being sent directly to me, nor is it specifically aimed around me. It may be targeted toward people who fall into a similar category, but it isn't a personal message to me. > to promote or sell Cross-selling is an attempt to sell something. > a product, service, or idea. No restriction here about it being a product/service/idea sold by a different company, so this applies to cross-selling. It meets every part of the definition you gave, and therefore pushes for cross-selling are a form of advertising. Edit: Perhaps you're confused about the use of "that employs"? In this usage, "employs" doesn't mean "has a contractual relationship with" but instead means "uses".
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  of course you forgot the most important part Advertising is differentiated from public relations in that an advertiser pays for and has control over the message me promoting a product I sell is not advertising. It's business. Businesses work on client's trust, promote a bad product, they'll leave you for someone else. Sellers are not advertiser and vice versa. Advertisers don't lose their job if they advertise a bad product, their job is to create a campaign for the product, their reputation does not depend on the quality of the product, but only on the quality of the ad. Adding a feature to a software product is not marketing, it's a way to have an edge on the competition (or be on par) If everything is advertising, than me giving you the phone number of my dentist should be advertising.
  - MereInterest 4y ago
    If I pay for signage, or if I pay somebody else to put up signage, I've paid either way. I also ignored that sentence as it was adding clarification, not changing the initial definition. Giving me the phone number of your dentist would be a personal message, so it wouldn't be "advertising". It also wouldn't be paid for by your dentist, so not advertising.