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You say that, but what if Apple helpfully adds this feature to iPhones, like they added support for digital driver's licenses, Covid passes, and (almost) client

You say that, but what if Apple helpfully adds this feature to iPhones, like they added support for digital driver's licenses, Covid passes, and (almost) client side scanning for illegal material? For iPhone users who use Face ID, it could cache the result, and send it to sites (signed by a per-device certificate, issued by Apple's CA) in the background, so that most users wouldn't even know this law existed.

walterbell 4y ago
That might explain the "on-device" claims. Does Apple have partnerships with age-verification companies, or would it become an age-verification company? Is there a connection between Passkeys (FIDO) and age-verification?
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  These are the right questions to ask. I suspect that if one were to follow the money behind who is pushing for this law, those questions could be answered.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    Since Apple recently added the ability to store state-level identity documents in Apple Wallet (IF a state/country is on board), it's not a big leap to combine this with Face ID. If Apple can perform a digital attestation of a derived attribute, e.g. "older than 18", rather that disclosing name, DoB, address to the visited website, it would likely be well received. But at that point, we're a hair's breadth away from state-corporate fusion.
    - chrisoverzero 4y ago
      > If Apple can perform a digital attestation of a derived attribute, e.g. "older than 18", rather that disclosing name, DoB, address to the visited website […] I don’t know about websites, but one of Apple’s examples is almost exactly that – “older than 21” – for purchasing alcohol (in the US, yes, yes) without giving over all of the rest of the information on your ID.
- maxk42 4y ago
  Just wait until they figure out that Apple's LIDAR causes cancer if you scan yourself with it 15 times a day.
  - cryptonector 4y ago
    Hmm? Details?
  - walterbell 4y ago
    Front-facing FaceID is periodically beaming IR light at the user, even when not doing an authentication. Lidar is only on the iPhone Pro rear cameras. clutches mmWave-less FaceID-less LIDAR-less iPhone SE3
  - FredPret 4y ago
    “This website is known to the state of California to cause cancer”
collegeburner 4y ago
Before y'all downvote as speculation: apple is literally working with cloudflare and a bunch of other companies on using attestation to replace captchas. Seems like it could roll easily into that.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
No, I don't think it could cache the result. That would defeat the whole purpose. People sometimes use other peoples' devices. The web site needs to know who's visiting this site, not who visited the last one. So it's going to have to scan the user's face each time.
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walterbell 4y ago

That might explain the "on-device" claims. Does Apple have partnerships with age-verification companies, or would it become an age-verification company? Is there a connection between Passkeys (FIDO) and age-verification?

dane-pgp 4y ago
These are the right questions to ask. I suspect that if one were to follow the money behind who is pushing for this law, those questions could be answered.
- walterbell 4y ago
  Since Apple recently added the ability to store state-level identity documents in Apple Wallet (IF a state/country is on board), it's not a big leap to combine this with Face ID. If Apple can perform a digital attestation of a derived attribute, e.g. "older than 18", rather that disclosing name, DoB, address to the visited website, it would likely be well received. But at that point, we're a hair's breadth away from state-corporate fusion.
  - chrisoverzero 4y ago
    > If Apple can perform a digital attestation of a derived attribute, e.g. "older than 18", rather that disclosing name, DoB, address to the visited website […] I don’t know about websites, but one of Apple’s examples is almost exactly that – “older than 21” – for purchasing alcohol (in the US, yes, yes) without giving over all of the rest of the information on your ID.
maxk42 4y ago
Just wait until they figure out that Apple's LIDAR causes cancer if you scan yourself with it 15 times a day.
- cryptonector 4y ago
  Hmm? Details?
- walterbell 4y ago
  Front-facing FaceID is periodically beaming IR light at the user, even when not doing an authentication. Lidar is only on the iPhone Pro rear cameras. clutches mmWave-less FaceID-less LIDAR-less iPhone SE3
- FredPret 4y ago
  “This website is known to the state of California to cause cancer”

collegeburner 4y ago

Before y'all downvote as speculation: apple is literally working with cloudflare and a bunch of other companies on using attestation to replace captchas. Seems like it could roll easily into that.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

No, I don't think it could cache the result. That would defeat the whole purpose. People sometimes use other peoples' devices. The web site needs to know who's visiting this site, not who visited the last one. So it's going to have to scan the user's face each time.

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