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Just a shockingly bad idea... Europe has phenomenally dollar potential already, on the ground, and what it couldn't get there it could much more easily compensa

Just a shockingly bad idea... Europe has phenomenally dollar potential already, on the ground, and what it couldn't get there it could much more easily compensate for with arrays in countries to it's south. God forbid it might have to work with other countries for some of it's energy. It's already doing that and would absolutely need to do that to ever be able to build this project anyways

mrDmrTmrJ 4y ago
RE: "God forbid it might have to work with other countries for some of it's energy." I'm all for countries cooperating, but we need to be aware of Europe's recent historical experience on finding reliable sources of energy and raw materials. Specifically: 1) Russia using Europe's money to fund it's invasion of Ukraine and blackmail the continent. 2) Colonial experiences in North Africa. Which, to Europe's credit, it's not interested in repeating. As only solar in north aferica can really solve the winter solar insolation issue - Europe is simply too far north. To go to 100% carbon free you need "clean firm" power. And there's no real way to get that with out one of: Nuclear, Geothermal, SBSP, or Fusion. Plenty of arguments for Nuclear, but we need to admit there's a very short list of potential solutions here.
- landemva 4y ago
  France still controls the currency of several African countries, and extracts segniorage.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  All those cost way more than renewables. SBSP and fusion won't happen at all. The others will be mothballed as renewables undercut them.
midoridensha 4y ago
>God forbid it might have to work with other countries for some of it's energy. They tried that with Russia and look where it got them. Working with dictatorships for your critical energy needs is always a bad idea.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Not all outside energy has the same dependence on a single source.
panick21_ 4y ago
What if I told you that there is plenty of easily available thorium in Europe. And if they had decent reactors, sourcing enough Uranium wouldn't be hard either.
proffeatur8 4y ago

mrDmrTmrJ 4y ago

RE: "God forbid it might have to work with other countries for some of it's energy." I'm all for countries cooperating, but we need to be aware of Europe's recent historical experience on finding reliable sources of energy and raw materials. Specifically: 1) Russia using Europe's money to fund it's invasion of Ukraine and blackmail the continent. 2) Colonial experiences in North Africa. Which, to Europe's credit, it's not interested in repeating. As only solar in north aferica can really solve the winter solar insolation issue - Europe is simply too far north. To go to 100% carbon free you need "clean firm" power. And there's no real way to get that with out one of: Nuclear, Geothermal, SBSP, or Fusion. Plenty of arguments for Nuclear, but we need to admit there's a very short list of potential solutions here.

landemva 4y ago
France still controls the currency of several African countries, and extracts segniorage.
ncmncm 4y ago
All those cost way more than renewables. SBSP and fusion won't happen at all. The others will be mothballed as renewables undercut them.

midoridensha 4y ago

>God forbid it might have to work with other countries for some of it's energy. They tried that with Russia and look where it got them. Working with dictatorships for your critical energy needs is always a bad idea.

panick21_ 4y ago
Not all outside energy has the same dependence on a single source.

panick21_ 4y ago

What if I told you that there is plenty of easily available thorium in Europe. And if they had decent reactors, sourcing enough Uranium wouldn't be hard either.

proffeatur8 4y ago