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It’s just a blob of paint until someone says (with conviction) that it’s “art.” Creating compelling results which connect with people requires practice, patien

It’s just a blob of paint until someone says (with conviction) that it’s “art.” Creating compelling results which connect with people requires practice, patience, the willingness and ability to explore, a whole lot of cherry picking. Iteration. There will have to be protections for content creators, which will have to evolve to accommodate AI’s increasing capabilities to mimic, some might say “steal,” the style and character of an artist’s work. It’s simpler in the case where the AI clearly imports entire assets from a single source, much harder when it almagamates tiny fragments of a large number of different artists’ works. Some kind of tax may be necessary to ensure that human creators of source materials are fairly compensated. Nothing happens without their work as the basis of creation.

quadcore 4y ago
It’s just a blob of paint until someone says (with conviction) that it’s “art.” You perfectly know fine art isnt the issue here because its a small industry anyway and you guys arent investing dozens of billions to take over a niche industry. For those who dont know what we are really talking about here: it's the illustration and entertainment industry, which combined are probably well over a trillion dollar industry. Creating compelling results which connect with people requires practice, patience, the willingness and ability to explore, a whole lot of cherry picking. Iteration. It doesnt. And you know it. It only takes taste. Which is very easy for an AI to acquire with intelligent supervision. It will be way better than the 99 percentile of artists very quickly. The rest is monkey work and is worth nothing. There will have to be protections for content creators, which will have to evolve to accommodate AI’s increasing capabilities to mimic, some might say “steal,” the style and character of an artist’s work. It’s simpler in the case where the AI clearly imports entire assets from a single source, much harder when it almagamates tiny fragments of a large number of different artists’ works. Some kind of tax may be necessary to ensure that human creators of source materials are fairly compensated. Nothing happens without their work as the basis of creation. One of the first things I noticed on the SD website is the cleverness of the bullshit. With "ethic" and stuff everywhere. Did you wrote it? Are you CEO? There wont be taxes mate, there will be questions :)
- dougabug 4y ago
  “You perfectly know fine art isnt the issue here because its a small industry anyway and you guys arent investing dozens of billions to take over a niche industry.” Seriously, I don’t know that. According to Statistica, the total value of fine art transactions was over $65 billion in 2021. But fine, let’s take it as stipulated: commercial art is a far bigger market. If there really is that much at stake, change is inevitable. “It doesnt. And you know it. It only takes taste. Which is very easy for an AI to acquire with intelligent supervision. It will be way better than the 99 percentile of artists very quickly. The rest is monkey work and is worth nothing.” You are (aggressively) psychic! As an AI practitioner, if I could so easily bottle up taste and sell it, I surely would. Supervised learning requires a source, and current methods require vast (and thus expensive) corpora of training data. The better it understands what is “good” by the standards of that data set, the less ability it has to generate novel work and redefine what is, in fact, good. Visual style, in particular, is subject to fashions whim, what ML practitioners call “concept drift.” What is exalted one day, is scorned and ridiculed in another. If taste were so easily captured in a model, Hollywood would never have to worry about making another bomb. Game studio executives could sleep blissfully. A vast amount of money is lost due to bad design choices, across countless industries. Frankly, I think a Taste Oracle is worth more than an AI Snuffaluffagus. “One of the first things I noticed on the SD website is the cleverness of the bullshit. With "ethic" and stuff everywhere. Did you wrote it? Are you CEO?” I am just not that clever. I see all that as CYA. The fact that they released everything, code and models, undermines the notion that they expect to corner a multi-trillion dollar market. Paranoia, anger, aggression, maybe this is appropriate in the face of unknowable change. But people are divided at the outset of this revolution, and remain conquered by the future Mars dwellers. To clarify, I work (Earthbound) in Computer Vision and Perception; my preference is for concrete problems.
  - quadcore 4y ago
    Thanks for confirming I was relaying truthful informations about the market sizes. As an AI practitioner, if I could so easily bottle up taste and sell it, I surely would. And would you lie to protect it? Snuffaluffagus You're the aggressive one by my book :)
t0bia_s 4y ago
If your client require to illustrate specific situations with specific details with specific camera angle and lighting... Word to image AI generators wont be enough. You need skills and experience for paint specific tasks. And I'm not talking about emotions...

quadcore 4y ago

It’s just a blob of paint until someone says (with conviction) that it’s “art.” You perfectly know fine art isnt the issue here because its a small industry anyway and you guys arent investing dozens of billions to take over a niche industry. For those who dont know what we are really talking about here: it's the illustration and entertainment industry, which combined are probably well over a trillion dollar industry. Creating compelling results which connect with people requires practice, patience, the willingness and ability to explore, a whole lot of cherry picking. Iteration. It doesnt. And you know it. It only takes taste. Which is very easy for an AI to acquire with intelligent supervision. It will be way better than the 99 percentile of artists very quickly. The rest is monkey work and is worth nothing. There will have to be protections for content creators, which will have to evolve to accommodate AI’s increasing capabilities to mimic, some might say “steal,” the style and character of an artist’s work. It’s simpler in the case where the AI clearly imports entire assets from a single source, much harder when it almagamates tiny fragments of a large number of different artists’ works. Some kind of tax may be necessary to ensure that human creators of source materials are fairly compensated. Nothing happens without their work as the basis of creation. One of the first things I noticed on the SD website is the cleverness of the bullshit. With "ethic" and stuff everywhere. Did you wrote it? Are you CEO? There wont be taxes mate, there will be questions :)

dougabug 4y ago
“You perfectly know fine art isnt the issue here because its a small industry anyway and you guys arent investing dozens of billions to take over a niche industry.” Seriously, I don’t know that. According to Statistica, the total value of fine art transactions was over $65 billion in 2021. But fine, let’s take it as stipulated: commercial art is a far bigger market. If there really is that much at stake, change is inevitable. “It doesnt. And you know it. It only takes taste. Which is very easy for an AI to acquire with intelligent supervision. It will be way better than the 99 percentile of artists very quickly. The rest is monkey work and is worth nothing.” You are (aggressively) psychic! As an AI practitioner, if I could so easily bottle up taste and sell it, I surely would. Supervised learning requires a source, and current methods require vast (and thus expensive) corpora of training data. The better it understands what is “good” by the standards of that data set, the less ability it has to generate novel work and redefine what is, in fact, good. Visual style, in particular, is subject to fashions whim, what ML practitioners call “concept drift.” What is exalted one day, is scorned and ridiculed in another. If taste were so easily captured in a model, Hollywood would never have to worry about making another bomb. Game studio executives could sleep blissfully. A vast amount of money is lost due to bad design choices, across countless industries. Frankly, I think a Taste Oracle is worth more than an AI Snuffaluffagus. “One of the first things I noticed on the SD website is the cleverness of the bullshit. With "ethic" and stuff everywhere. Did you wrote it? Are you CEO?” I am just not that clever. I see all that as CYA. The fact that they released everything, code and models, undermines the notion that they expect to corner a multi-trillion dollar market. Paranoia, anger, aggression, maybe this is appropriate in the face of unknowable change. But people are divided at the outset of this revolution, and remain conquered by the future Mars dwellers. To clarify, I work (Earthbound) in Computer Vision and Perception; my preference is for concrete problems.
- quadcore 4y ago
  Thanks for confirming I was relaying truthful informations about the market sizes. As an AI practitioner, if I could so easily bottle up taste and sell it, I surely would. And would you lie to protect it? Snuffaluffagus You're the aggressive one by my book :)

t0bia_s 4y ago

If your client require to illustrate specific situations with specific details with specific camera angle and lighting... Word to image AI generators wont be enough. You need skills and experience for paint specific tasks. And I'm not talking about emotions...