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Even if that was true (it's not and there are multiple facts that contradicts that theory, but it's not related), how does following situation: "Don't try get p
by Yiin 4y ago
Even if that was true (it's not and there are multiple facts that contradicts that theory, but it's not related), how does following situation: "Don't try get protection or we will attack you" considers protection is attacked makes the attacker reasonable in your eyes? Being submissive to oppressor literally never worked well for any country in the history of the world and only shows clear examples how it only makes things worse (ww2 wasn't even that long ago).
- senttoschool 4y ago
- verdverm 4y agoWhy does Russia get to have a say about Ukraine's alliances? Or any other country's for that matter?
- senttoschool 4y agoSame reason why US wants to have a say about other countries' alliances and leaders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... I know you've accused me of being anti-West/US in another thread. I replied to it even though your comment was deleted. I spelled out my stance very clearly there.
- verdverm 4y agotwo wrongs don't make a right, there is no justification for either doing so
- senttoschool 4y agoSure, two wrongs don't make it right. But you can see where your reasoning is a double standard?
- jfghi 4y agoDouble standard would be claiming that one is ok but the other isn’t, 2 wrongs indicates a consistent standard.
- senttoschool 4y agoHe believed that Russia shouldn't dictate who Ukraine is allied with. I assumed that he thought it was ok for the US to dictate who other countries can be allied with. This was the double standard I was referring to. Later, he said both the US and Russia shouldn't dictate who Ukraine should be allied with. This is the consistent standard you're referring to. It seems like he led himself into the realization that it's not black and white. It's grey. This is good.
- verdverm 4y agoYou don't know what I believe, stop claiming as such and thinking you have superior moral decision making
- senttoschool 4y agoNever claimed. I assumed after deducing from your logic. I don't think I have superior moral decision making. If you want, you can tell us what you think about the topic of your consistent/double standards.
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- klausjensen 4y agoThis "NATO expanded East-provocation"-nonsense is getting tiring. Russia has invaded several of their neighbouring countries - but never ones with NATO membership card. Russian invasion always leaves a trail of executions, torture, rape, murder of civilians, looting - warcrimes en masse - and piles of dead bodies. If you are a former East-block country, who has experienced what it means to be under Russian rule/control, of course you want to be a member of NATO - because it is literally the only option - unless you want to become a vassal state like Belarus. If the baltic countries had not joined NATO, they would have been invaded as well. Every single NATO member actively applied to become a member of NATO. The only realistic way for Ukraine to be safe from Russian invasion in the future is NATO membership or similar guarantees.