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The usual argument is that the scaling of the power wrt height is wrong (people aren't spherical basically). I don't buy it though. So many people say they have

The usual argument is that the scaling of the power wrt height is wrong (people aren't spherical basically). I don't buy it though. So many people say they have a high BMI but "they just lift weights". If you aren't on PEDs it is very unlikely that you can be BMI > 30 with low body fat.

Volundr 4y ago
Ehhh I'm not sure I'd go that far, but the person who has >30 BMI with muscle mass is going to look completely different than the person doing it with body fat. Sure BMI can be more or less accurate depending on the person, but for those few who have actually rendered it inapplicable to them it's going to be blatantly obvious. No one will confuse them with being obese.
BrandoElFollito 4y ago
My son is 15, 182 cm and weights 81 kg. According to BMI charts he is in the 94th percentile and it's categorized as obese. But he is an athlete with almost no fat (he is not aiming at muscles so he does not have a diet that minimizes fat, he is looking for sheer power and explosivity (gym, martial arts)). He is very built up (muscular) though. So I wonder how the BMI can give any kind of reasonable indication when the fat level is not taken into account.
- salty_biscuits 4y ago
  He is only BMI = 24 though? What crazy redefinition of obese is going on there.
  - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
    If you input these values at https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator/ you get the "obese" suggestion. Without any consideration for fat BMI doe snot make much sense I guess.
- 0xB31B1B 4y ago
  182 cm isn't even that tall. I'm 193 CM and athletic build and at my recommended weight range by body composition measurements had me at like 26 BMI or "overweight".
jjj123 4y ago
It seems like you’re moving the goalposts a bit by talking about “low” body fat. I don’t have “low” body fat but I know my bmi would be significantly lower if it weren’t for the 30+lbs of extra muscle mass I’ve put on in the last 5 years. I wouldn’t have been obese before, but I technically am now (with reduced bodyfat %).
yread 4y ago
Ronnie Coleman has BMI of 38.9 while having less than 1% body fat. Bit of an extreme example, but "light weight baby!"
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  He also lifted weights to the point that he put himself into a wheelchair in his 50s. I also highly doubt the no PEDs part.
- evol262 4y ago
  Ronnie was never less than 1% body fat, or even 1%. Stage ready bodybuilders are more like 3-5%. People are just poor at estimating bodyfat, and the media throwing out nonsense numbers doesn't help.

Volundr 4y ago

Ehhh I'm not sure I'd go that far, but the person who has >30 BMI with muscle mass is going to look completely different than the person doing it with body fat. Sure BMI can be more or less accurate depending on the person, but for those few who have actually rendered it inapplicable to them it's going to be blatantly obvious. No one will confuse them with being obese.

BrandoElFollito 4y ago

My son is 15, 182 cm and weights 81 kg. According to BMI charts he is in the 94th percentile and it's categorized as obese. But he is an athlete with almost no fat (he is not aiming at muscles so he does not have a diet that minimizes fat, he is looking for sheer power and explosivity (gym, martial arts)). He is very built up (muscular) though. So I wonder how the BMI can give any kind of reasonable indication when the fat level is not taken into account.

salty_biscuits 4y ago
He is only BMI = 24 though? What crazy redefinition of obese is going on there.
- BrandoElFollito 4y ago
  If you input these values at https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/bmi-calculator/ you get the "obese" suggestion. Without any consideration for fat BMI doe snot make much sense I guess.
0xB31B1B 4y ago
182 cm isn't even that tall. I'm 193 CM and athletic build and at my recommended weight range by body composition measurements had me at like 26 BMI or "overweight".

jjj123 4y ago

It seems like you’re moving the goalposts a bit by talking about “low” body fat. I don’t have “low” body fat but I know my bmi would be significantly lower if it weren’t for the 30+lbs of extra muscle mass I’ve put on in the last 5 years. I wouldn’t have been obese before, but I technically am now (with reduced bodyfat %).

yread 4y ago

Ronnie Coleman has BMI of 38.9 while having less than 1% body fat. Bit of an extreme example, but "light weight baby!"

TheCoelacanth 4y ago
He also lifted weights to the point that he put himself into a wheelchair in his 50s. I also highly doubt the no PEDs part.
evol262 4y ago
Ronnie was never less than 1% body fat, or even 1%. Stage ready bodybuilders are more like 3-5%. People are just poor at estimating bodyfat, and the media throwing out nonsense numbers doesn't help.