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agriculture !== animal agriculture

pvaldes 4y ago
"Sentient" is a conveniently empty term to say "It has senses. Can detect changes in the environment". Not more, not less. The term is being abused lately as a substitute for "self-conscious" in a straw man fallacy. We can argue that <random cute animal> is not self-conscious, but suddenly what we are arguing is "has it senses?", a fact that can't be denied. Every animal known, every fungus known and of course every plant and algae known by us are sentient. This is not an honest move, in my opinion. Is just a pseudo-religious term to upgrade some organisms that we like to demigod level --and-- justify retaliation, (because the real underlying force under all this rhetoric is power acquisition; is exactly the same construction as "If you eat pork you will be punished because god says that I'm allowed to punish you").
- sweetheart 4y ago
  While I don’t think the general scientific consensus agrees with you that every plant and fungus is sentient, we can pick a different word if you prefer. The ability to suffer is the important aspect, after all. As for the part of your comment that claims using the word “sentient” is pseudo religious and used to wield power over others… I think you’re reading far, far too much into it. I don’t think anyone is using sentience as a tool to justify punishment over anyone else. In fact, it tends to be the people that deny sentience that end up punishing others, for merely belonging to different species! TL;DR Let’s not commercialize anyone that can suffer. Historically it hasn’t gone well.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    > I don’t think the general scientific consensus agrees with you that every plant and fungus is sentient If you find a single scientist claiming the opposite, she/he is probably a genius in some field, but I grant you that is illiterate on basic biology. The global scientific consensus is that plants and fungi react --very fast-- and accurately to any changes in the environment and take complex and strategic decisions all the time about what they perceive. There are zillions of examples that prove that. Lets take for example this tiny fish moving its tail fast toward a light spot in the sea bottom and then deciding if it likes the place or just jump and go away. It this a sentient organism? Most people would say Yes. Well, this is not a fish, in fact is a young Kelp deciding where to settle.
    - sweetheart 4y ago
      Just to make sure we aren’t getting stuck in pointless semantic argument: if someone doesn’t water their plant for 2 weeks and it slowly dies, do you treat them as you would someone who doesn’t feed their dog? Do you want to argue semantics or do you want to discuss the actual content?

"Sentient" is a conveniently empty term to say "It has senses. Can detect changes in the environment". Not more, not less. The term is being abused lately as a substitute for "self-conscious" in a straw man fallacy. We can argue that <random cute animal> is not self-conscious, but suddenly what we are arguing is "has it senses?", a fact that can't be denied. Every animal known, every fungus known and of course every plant and algae known by us are sentient. This is not an honest move, in my opinion. Is just a pseudo-religious term to upgrade some organisms that we like to demigod level --and-- justify retaliation, (because the real underlying force under all this rhetoric is power acquisition; is exactly the same construction as "If you eat pork you will be punished because god says that I'm allowed to punish you").

sweetheart 4y ago
While I don’t think the general scientific consensus agrees with you that every plant and fungus is sentient, we can pick a different word if you prefer. The ability to suffer is the important aspect, after all. As for the part of your comment that claims using the word “sentient” is pseudo religious and used to wield power over others… I think you’re reading far, far too much into it. I don’t think anyone is using sentience as a tool to justify punishment over anyone else. In fact, it tends to be the people that deny sentience that end up punishing others, for merely belonging to different species! TL;DR Let’s not commercialize anyone that can suffer. Historically it hasn’t gone well.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > I don’t think the general scientific consensus agrees with you that every plant and fungus is sentient If you find a single scientist claiming the opposite, she/he is probably a genius in some field, but I grant you that is illiterate on basic biology. The global scientific consensus is that plants and fungi react --very fast-- and accurately to any changes in the environment and take complex and strategic decisions all the time about what they perceive. There are zillions of examples that prove that. Lets take for example this tiny fish moving its tail fast toward a light spot in the sea bottom and then deciding if it likes the place or just jump and go away. It this a sentient organism? Most people would say Yes. Well, this is not a fish, in fact is a young Kelp deciding where to settle.
  - sweetheart 4y ago
    Just to make sure we aren’t getting stuck in pointless semantic argument: if someone doesn’t water their plant for 2 weeks and it slowly dies, do you treat them as you would someone who doesn’t feed their dog? Do you want to argue semantics or do you want to discuss the actual content?