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Communication skills, team participation, and 10000+ hours of practice with real-world problems. You wish that were true... ;) People often choose careers for

Communication skills, team participation, and 10000+ hours of practice with real-world problems. You wish that were true... ;) People often choose careers for the wrong reasons, compete to be at the bottom, and end up miserable. If you are over 30, the burn-and-churn cycle you thought would be exciting... turns out to be really destabilizing and lame. Consider being a plumber, you will make more money, and not have a student loan for years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQlCOmXuHM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQlCOmXuHM To be a good Programmer, you need to fantasize about being a Plumber everyday. As even knee deep in sewer water, people would have held you in higher regard given they could actually understand what you did professionally.

xwowsersx 4y ago
You sound bitter and resentful. Also, student loan debt is not a requirement for becoming a programmer. I have student loan debt, but that's because I decided to go to law school before switching to software development :)
- Joel_Mckay 4y ago
  >You sound bitter and resentful Nope, I like what I do, and talking with the engineers I work with everyday. However, you are about to climb a mountain I've already ascended before, and can't understand my perspective yet. You will start fantasizing about being a plumber soon... it is the logical choice after all.
  - xwowsersx 4y ago
    I've no idea what you're talking about and I suspect other people you meet and interact with (at least online) will feel the same way. I know this might sound harsh, but that's my feedback in the event you're at all interested in communicating more effectively online.
    - Joel_Mckay 4y ago
      This is not an industry for the emotionally sensitive, sanctimonious, or petulant.
      - BeetleB 4y ago
        Must agree with the other commenter: It's quite hard to understand what you're trying to say. Also, comments like this are coming across as arrogant. You appear to have jumped to the conclusion that xwowsersx has little experience in the industry and thus come across as patronizing. As to your original comment: As a SW engineer, I've never had to work more than 40 hours a week, have no student loan debt, and make a lot more than a plumber. If you find yourself forced to work a lot more, you likely have made poor career choices (not by picking the SW industry, but by picking the wrong sub-discipline and/or company). As such, the fact that you're doling out advice as if you know a lot looks even worse.
        Joel_Mckay 4y ago
        How many companies have you worked for in the past 30 years? Although ones history is fairly meaningless when it comes to general opinions. Most professions don't have a sub 3 year Churn rate with fortune 500 companies. We can have differing opinions, and from each perspective believe we are correct. Have a gloriously wonderful day =)
        xwowsersx 4y ago
        Yeah. In fact, I have ~15 years of experience (my current role is Director of Engineering). I note this just to point out how off Joel is. I offered my feedback on the off chance it might be well received, but it seems there's more going on with him. I feel that sympathy is the only correct response at this point.

xwowsersx 4y ago

You sound bitter and resentful. Also, student loan debt is not a requirement for becoming a programmer. I have student loan debt, but that's because I decided to go to law school before switching to software development :)

Joel_Mckay 4y ago
>You sound bitter and resentful Nope, I like what I do, and talking with the engineers I work with everyday. However, you are about to climb a mountain I've already ascended before, and can't understand my perspective yet. You will start fantasizing about being a plumber soon... it is the logical choice after all.
- xwowsersx 4y ago
  I've no idea what you're talking about and I suspect other people you meet and interact with (at least online) will feel the same way. I know this might sound harsh, but that's my feedback in the event you're at all interested in communicating more effectively online.
  - Joel_Mckay 4y ago
    This is not an industry for the emotionally sensitive, sanctimonious, or petulant.
    - BeetleB 4y ago
      Must agree with the other commenter: It's quite hard to understand what you're trying to say. Also, comments like this are coming across as arrogant. You appear to have jumped to the conclusion that xwowsersx has little experience in the industry and thus come across as patronizing. As to your original comment: As a SW engineer, I've never had to work more than 40 hours a week, have no student loan debt, and make a lot more than a plumber. If you find yourself forced to work a lot more, you likely have made poor career choices (not by picking the SW industry, but by picking the wrong sub-discipline and/or company). As such, the fact that you're doling out advice as if you know a lot looks even worse.
      - Joel_Mckay 4y ago
        How many companies have you worked for in the past 30 years? Although ones history is fairly meaningless when it comes to general opinions. Most professions don't have a sub 3 year Churn rate with fortune 500 companies. We can have differing opinions, and from each perspective believe we are correct. Have a gloriously wonderful day =)
      - xwowsersx 4y ago
        Yeah. In fact, I have ~15 years of experience (my current role is Director of Engineering). I note this just to point out how off Joel is. I offered my feedback on the off chance it might be well received, but it seems there's more going on with him. I feel that sympathy is the only correct response at this point.