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A public college education should be free for an intellectually-qualified individual student, period. Anything else is madness. And lest that sound elitist, th

A public college education should be free for an intellectually-qualified individual student, period. Anything else is madness. And lest that sound elitist, the same should apply to training acquired via trade schools. The same people excoriating the current administration's loan forgiveness are the ones that have conveniently forgotten the effects of the Reagan administration (both at California state as well as US federal level), knowing full well that an educated populace with sufficient critical learning skills (and no debt) is a danger to authority.

legitster 4y ago
> intellectually-qualified What could this possibly mean? Your argument doesn't really make sense since debt in now way held back enrollment numbers at college (if anything, just the opposite). And even if we wanted to make college free today, it doesn't solve the problem of what to do with existing debt.
- daviddever23box 4y ago
  "Intellectually-qualified" means selective admission based on aptitude, prior work, and initiative. There are too many students in four-year colleges (public or private) who might be better suited for technical / trade schools, or, alternately, traditional career-based training (e.g., the older two-year, non-college nursing school model). This creates a scenario where negative achievement is built into the coursework of larger-sized classes, in order to reduce demand to those students who have the aptitude and initiative to achieve positive results in a smaller class size. We need to remove the stigma associated with an, errm, associate degree. Nothing about academic credentialing matters at the corporate level when the actual work starts, hence the "or equivalent work experience" callout in most modern job postings. And–at the opposite extreme–some highly-motivated persons might not benefit from post-secondary education at all, which is the recruitment challenge that many top schools face (i.e., the talent and achievement exceeds the formation and knowledge transfer that can be provided by the school at its price). I cannot solve the problem of existing debt, for which capped loan forgiveness (as currently proposed) is a first attempt. How does one deal with evil in the world? Don't be evil, for starters.

legitster 4y ago

> intellectually-qualified What could this possibly mean? Your argument doesn't really make sense since debt in now way held back enrollment numbers at college (if anything, just the opposite). And even if we wanted to make college free today, it doesn't solve the problem of what to do with existing debt.

daviddever23box 4y ago
"Intellectually-qualified" means selective admission based on aptitude, prior work, and initiative. There are too many students in four-year colleges (public or private) who might be better suited for technical / trade schools, or, alternately, traditional career-based training (e.g., the older two-year, non-college nursing school model). This creates a scenario where negative achievement is built into the coursework of larger-sized classes, in order to reduce demand to those students who have the aptitude and initiative to achieve positive results in a smaller class size. We need to remove the stigma associated with an, errm, associate degree. Nothing about academic credentialing matters at the corporate level when the actual work starts, hence the "or equivalent work experience" callout in most modern job postings. And–at the opposite extreme–some highly-motivated persons might not benefit from post-secondary education at all, which is the recruitment challenge that many top schools face (i.e., the talent and achievement exceeds the formation and knowledge transfer that can be provided by the school at its price). I cannot solve the problem of existing debt, for which capped loan forgiveness (as currently proposed) is a first attempt. How does one deal with evil in the world? Don't be evil, for starters.