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Companies & Governments in the US & West censor for political reasons. Why is this any different?

camdenlock 4y ago
Citation needed. Please show an example of a foreign piece of content which has been chopped to bits by the US government before being allowed to be distributed here.
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  Broadcast anime on daytime television. While companies like 4Kids that did the actual censoring (like digitally editing cells) and replacing lines ( "localization" as they would call it), it is the FCC that has power over broadcast licensing and provides a disincentive for showing work that soccer moms found distasteful, even if otherwise covered under the First Amendment.
  - trinovantes 4y ago
    broadcast != distribution It's not illegal to import/purchase the unedited original versions with guns, deaths, and nudity (excluding lolita). With online streaming being the norm now, the government has no say in the content consumed.
    - Dracophoenix 4y ago
      In this context of both the GP and the main post itself, broadcast is no different from distribution, whether via television or the Internet. > It's not illegal to import/purchase the unedited original versions with guns, deaths, and nudity (excluding lolita). One could say the same about China. There's no law against importing uncensored movies for private consumption and any laws against their sale by local denizens, if such laws exist, go unenforced. Even in Beijing, you can buy high-quality, uncensored bootlegs of practically every American movie and TV show.
      - trinovantes 4y ago
        I'm referencing your comment about 4kids anime censorship. Guns and deaths don't exist in their TV broadcasts but you can still buy/import/sell the original Japanese versions without government interference. You can also watch the original Japanese versions online without government interference. Any censorship that does occur like 7seas is at the discretion of their editors who probably spend too much time on Twitter. The same cannot be said about China. Official online anime broadcasts are still censored if not outright banned. There's no point in discussing bootleg and other illegal distribution channels. It's already illegal, why does censorship dodging matter for the distributors?
Bakary 4y ago
What sort of TV shows are censored in the West?
- aaaddaaaaa1112 4y ago
- ur-whale 4y ago
  > What sort of TV shows are censored in the West? When was the last time you saw a pair of boobs on an US sitcom?
  - Bakary 4y ago
    Game of Thrones? I'm not really a TV guy. I was specifically intrigued by what the GP saw as political censorship, but I see what you mean.
    - ur-whale 4y ago
      > Game of Thrones Game of Thrones is a sitcom in your world?
  - 867-5309 4y ago
    boob ^1 /buːb/ INFORMAL noun 1. BRITISH an embarrassing mistake. "the boob was spotted by a security expert at the show" 2. NORTH AMERICAN a foolish or stupid person. "why was that boob given a key investigation?" plenty of pairs of both on American sitcoms!
- carapace 4y ago
  There's an episode of South Park that featured the Prophet Mohamed (Super Best Friends) that was uncontroversial when it aired, but now you can't get it anywhere. They did a very good bit about it in "Cartoon Wars". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_I (They deserve like a Pulitzer Prize or something for CW, it's genius.) It's not illegal to depict the Prophet, it's religious courtesy. (Also, it might interfere with profit (no pun intended.))
ginger2016 4y ago
Oliver Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire” won’t be shown on network television in US.
- awinder 4y ago
  Network television is some fine goalpost-moving, but as far as general media access goes you can find it on 3 US streaming services, and the reason no broadcast network is picking it up for redistribution has no basis in government censorship.
- noitpmeder 4y ago
  As the sibling comment demonstrates, this is not at all a result of Government action. To be honest, I can't think of ANY current-event-protraying foreignly-produced media that would be shown on networked television in the US.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  Is network television in the US obligated to show Russian propaganda?.
  - ginger2016 4y ago
    I haven’t seen the film and don’t intent to watch it. It is it Russian Propaganda? I thought Oliver Stone is an American. No, we are not obligated to show Russian propaganda in network television.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > I haven’t seen the film and don’t intent to watch it. It is it Russian Propaganda? I thought Oliver Stone is an American. No, we are not obligated to show Russian propaganda in network television. He may be an American but it sure sounds like he's on the payroll of the Kremlin. His son works for RT ever since 2015 and he has neatly parroted most Kremlin talking points regarding Ukraine up until the war itself.
npteljes 4y ago
It's a different instance, and this was the one that tickled the author's fancy. Who was, according to her own bio, "a data reporter in China, covering topics like business, gender, and government policies".

Citation needed. Please show an example of a foreign piece of content which has been chopped to bits by the US government before being allowed to be distributed here.

Dracophoenix 4y ago
Broadcast anime on daytime television. While companies like 4Kids that did the actual censoring (like digitally editing cells) and replacing lines ( "localization" as they would call it), it is the FCC that has power over broadcast licensing and provides a disincentive for showing work that soccer moms found distasteful, even if otherwise covered under the First Amendment.
- trinovantes 4y ago
  broadcast != distribution It's not illegal to import/purchase the unedited original versions with guns, deaths, and nudity (excluding lolita). With online streaming being the norm now, the government has no say in the content consumed.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    In this context of both the GP and the main post itself, broadcast is no different from distribution, whether via television or the Internet. > It's not illegal to import/purchase the unedited original versions with guns, deaths, and nudity (excluding lolita). One could say the same about China. There's no law against importing uncensored movies for private consumption and any laws against their sale by local denizens, if such laws exist, go unenforced. Even in Beijing, you can buy high-quality, uncensored bootlegs of practically every American movie and TV show.
    - trinovantes 4y ago
      I'm referencing your comment about 4kids anime censorship. Guns and deaths don't exist in their TV broadcasts but you can still buy/import/sell the original Japanese versions without government interference. You can also watch the original Japanese versions online without government interference. Any censorship that does occur like 7seas is at the discretion of their editors who probably spend too much time on Twitter. The same cannot be said about China. Official online anime broadcasts are still censored if not outright banned. There's no point in discussing bootleg and other illegal distribution channels. It's already illegal, why does censorship dodging matter for the distributors?

Bakary 4y ago

What sort of TV shows are censored in the West?

aaaddaaaaa1112 4y ago
ur-whale 4y ago
> What sort of TV shows are censored in the West? When was the last time you saw a pair of boobs on an US sitcom?
- Bakary 4y ago
  Game of Thrones? I'm not really a TV guy. I was specifically intrigued by what the GP saw as political censorship, but I see what you mean.
  - ur-whale 4y ago
    > Game of Thrones Game of Thrones is a sitcom in your world?
- 867-5309 4y ago
  boob ^1 /buːb/ INFORMAL noun 1. BRITISH an embarrassing mistake. "the boob was spotted by a security expert at the show" 2. NORTH AMERICAN a foolish or stupid person. "why was that boob given a key investigation?" plenty of pairs of both on American sitcoms!
carapace 4y ago
There's an episode of South Park that featured the Prophet Mohamed (Super Best Friends) that was uncontroversial when it aired, but now you can't get it anywhere. They did a very good bit about it in "Cartoon Wars". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_I (They deserve like a Pulitzer Prize or something for CW, it's genius.) It's not illegal to depict the Prophet, it's religious courtesy. (Also, it might interfere with profit (no pun intended.))

ginger2016 4y ago

Oliver Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire” won’t be shown on network television in US.

awinder 4y ago
Network television is some fine goalpost-moving, but as far as general media access goes you can find it on 3 US streaming services, and the reason no broadcast network is picking it up for redistribution has no basis in government censorship.
noitpmeder 4y ago
As the sibling comment demonstrates, this is not at all a result of Government action. To be honest, I can't think of ANY current-event-protraying foreignly-produced media that would be shown on networked television in the US.
_kbh_ 4y ago
Is network television in the US obligated to show Russian propaganda?.
- ginger2016 4y ago
  I haven’t seen the film and don’t intent to watch it. It is it Russian Propaganda? I thought Oliver Stone is an American. No, we are not obligated to show Russian propaganda in network television.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > I haven’t seen the film and don’t intent to watch it. It is it Russian Propaganda? I thought Oliver Stone is an American. No, we are not obligated to show Russian propaganda in network television. He may be an American but it sure sounds like he's on the payroll of the Kremlin. His son works for RT ever since 2015 and he has neatly parroted most Kremlin talking points regarding Ukraine up until the war itself.

npteljes 4y ago

It's a different instance, and this was the one that tickled the author's fancy. Who was, according to her own bio, "a data reporter in China, covering topics like business, gender, and government policies".