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While his vocabulary might be a inflammatory, it's hard to argue that any language has an evangelistic community anywhere near the level of rust's. No other com

While his vocabulary might be a inflammatory, it's hard to argue that any language has an evangelistic community anywhere near the level of rust's. No other community is pushes their favorite language for every single use case. No other language has a rewrite it in rust meme. No other language attacks people for unsafe code.

nindalf 4y ago
You want to see criticism of Rust? Here’s the best, most accurate criticism of Rust, written by avid Rustaceans. - Why Not Rust? (https://matklad.github.io/2020/09/20/why-not-rust.html https://matklad.github.io/2020/09/20/why-not-rust.html) - A Rust match made in hell (https://fasterthanli.me/articles/a-rust-match-made-in-hell https://fasterthanli.me/articles/a-rust-match-made-in-hell) Compare these with the superficial criticism that benreesman was making. He couldn’t even link to the proper issue, a fact he realised 10 hours later. Even had he linked to the right issue, he has no idea what he’s talking about. He says he had some issue with the language server and then simultaneously mentions LLVM? rust-analyser doesn’t import LLVM because it doesn’t need to generate machine code. You think when such poor feedback gets pushback it means people aren’t listening. No, it’s just poor feedback. If you want high quality criticism of Rust, read the articles I linked. Rust has many shortcomings and these folks discuss it in detail. > no other language has a rewrite it in rust meme. Your account is a year old. I’ve been here almost 10. I remember when everyone was excited about Go and wanted to rewrite everything in Go. And before Go it was Python. A couple of years from now they’ll be rewriting everything in Carbon. This is normal when things are new and people are still discovering it. Most of the folks you’re encountering are excited by Rust … and that’s ok. It’s not a bad thing to be excited or share that with others. If that reduces your quality of life, I apologise. But they meant no harm. > No other language Firstly, no language does anything. And secondly, you’re making sweeping generalisations of a large community based on a couple of incidents. I don’t know there’s anything I can say, other than I haven’t seen it in years. No one thinks it’s a good idea to attack anyone, and moderators are usually quick to nip any anti-social behaviour in the bud. Lastly, anyone with a lick of Rust experience knows that unsafe is useful and widely used. You can’t implement std::Vec without it, for instance.
- adamdusty 4y ago
  I don't think I made any criticisms of rust. I just pointed out it clearly has the most evangelical communit, a point which I think you helped support. I didn't even mention GP or his criticism. None of those languages had as many rewrites as rust (which is a testament to how good the language actually is) nor did they have the same eventually obnoxious meme. And yes, I am making sweeping generalizations about the community based on a couple of incidents. Incidents that have never happened in any other language communities I've participated in. Didn't official rust moderation team essentially quit relaticely recently because some business with the core team? I don't really care about the details. Rust is too smart for me, but I like using it anyway. I'm happy to stay separate from the community around it though.

nindalf 4y ago

You want to see criticism of Rust? Here’s the best, most accurate criticism of Rust, written by avid Rustaceans. - Why Not Rust? (https://matklad.github.io/2020/09/20/why-not-rust.html https://matklad.github.io/2020/09/20/why-not-rust.html) - A Rust match made in hell (https://fasterthanli.me/articles/a-rust-match-made-in-hell https://fasterthanli.me/articles/a-rust-match-made-in-hell) Compare these with the superficial criticism that benreesman was making. He couldn’t even link to the proper issue, a fact he realised 10 hours later. Even had he linked to the right issue, he has no idea what he’s talking about. He says he had some issue with the language server and then simultaneously mentions LLVM? rust-analyser doesn’t import LLVM because it doesn’t need to generate machine code. You think when such poor feedback gets pushback it means people aren’t listening. No, it’s just poor feedback. If you want high quality criticism of Rust, read the articles I linked. Rust has many shortcomings and these folks discuss it in detail. > no other language has a rewrite it in rust meme. Your account is a year old. I’ve been here almost 10. I remember when everyone was excited about Go and wanted to rewrite everything in Go. And before Go it was Python. A couple of years from now they’ll be rewriting everything in Carbon. This is normal when things are new and people are still discovering it. Most of the folks you’re encountering are excited by Rust … and that’s ok. It’s not a bad thing to be excited or share that with others. If that reduces your quality of life, I apologise. But they meant no harm. > No other language Firstly, no language does anything. And secondly, you’re making sweeping generalisations of a large community based on a couple of incidents. I don’t know there’s anything I can say, other than I haven’t seen it in years. No one thinks it’s a good idea to attack anyone, and moderators are usually quick to nip any anti-social behaviour in the bud. Lastly, anyone with a lick of Rust experience knows that unsafe is useful and widely used. You can’t implement std::Vec without it, for instance.

adamdusty 4y ago
I don't think I made any criticisms of rust. I just pointed out it clearly has the most evangelical communit, a point which I think you helped support. I didn't even mention GP or his criticism. None of those languages had as many rewrites as rust (which is a testament to how good the language actually is) nor did they have the same eventually obnoxious meme. And yes, I am making sweeping generalizations about the community based on a couple of incidents. Incidents that have never happened in any other language communities I've participated in. Didn't official rust moderation team essentially quit relaticely recently because some business with the core team? I don't really care about the details. Rust is too smart for me, but I like using it anyway. I'm happy to stay separate from the community around it though.