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Kinda weird that author categorized the incest joke "Howard: I lost my virginity to my cousin Jeanie" under LGBTQ censorship. When she mentioned the justificati

Kinda weird that author categorized the incest joke "Howard: I lost my virginity to my cousin Jeanie" under LGBTQ censorship. When she mentioned the justification: "China has encouraged straight couples to marry and raise two to three children." it makes some sense, but incestuous relationships are not considered by themselves "LGBTQIA2S+"

JasonFruit 4y ago
"+", apparently.
- omegaworks 4y ago
  The plus signifies support and acceptance of those who live with HIV.
  - ThePadawan 4y ago
    I looked at 5 sources and could not verify this statement. Do you have any that state this?
    - omegaworks 4y ago
      >Some see the plus at the end of LGBTQIA+ to signify support and acceptance of those who live with HIV. https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-the-plus-in-lgbtqia-mean-theres-a-lot-behind-that-little-symbol-17946374 https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-the-plus-in-lgbtqia-mean-... Though I'll admit the contentiousness of this designation, I don't think the intent of "+" was to include incest.
      - ThePadawan 4y ago
        Thanks for qualifying. After reading that article that in various places calls out... - "The plus is widely taken as a symbol to represent self-identifying members of the community who are not included in the LGBTQIA acronym" - "The plus in LGBTQIA+ not only represents other sexual labels and identifiers, but also the experiences of those within the community." besides the quote you already mentioned which includes the weasely "Some say", I personally don't really see as a strong of a consensus as your first comment suggests, but appreciate the perspective.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I think the + just signifies that the movement is willing to include groups that aren't explicitly mentioned because 1) the acronym can only get so long because it becomes alphabet soup. 2) the default posture is to ally with groups that haven't been included yet.
  - dudeinjapan 4y ago
    I thought the + signified that it's a streaming platform.
dmurray 4y ago
- bobsmooth 4y ago
  Nice to know that incest is now deserving of a civil rights movement.
strbean 4y ago
They mention "LGBTQ+ (and atypical heterosexual relationships)"
- omegaworks 4y ago
  Ah. I missed that on the first read. The visualizations lump them all together.
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drewtato 4y ago
The implication is that Chinese policy considers both incest and LGBTQ as abnormal relationships.
lmkg 4y ago
While the term "LGBTQ+" is highlighted in blue, every instance of it also includes a parenthetical about "or other atypical heterosexual relationships." The labelling is awkward but this seems to me to be there specifically to avoid applying the LGBTQ+ label to incest jokes. The author was raised in another culture and I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here. There are plenty of cultures (even in the US!) that would lump together queerness and incest and forms of sexual transgression. The fact that the author included the parenthetical means that they are aware of the distinction. But the perspective of the Chinese censors is probably to consider non-normative sex as a single category. Perhaps the author intended to highlight the negative effects of censorship by emphasizing the largest and most significant effect of that censorship?
- omegaworks 4y ago
  The labeling is awkward, that's what I intended to highlight. "Non-normative relationships" or "non-procreative relationships" would have been a great alternative. >There are plenty of cultures (even in the US!) that would lump together queerness and incest and forms of sexual transgression. And it's a not so great thing to do when the goal is safety and acceptance of the queer community. >The author was raised in another culture and I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here. I'm not ascribing any kind of malice or ill intent, just trying to highlight a (to some cultures, important!) distinction that was not made.
dudeinjapan 4y ago
What does the "I" stand for then?

JasonFruit 4y ago

"+", apparently.

omegaworks 4y ago
The plus signifies support and acceptance of those who live with HIV.
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  I looked at 5 sources and could not verify this statement. Do you have any that state this?
  - omegaworks 4y ago
    >Some see the plus at the end of LGBTQIA+ to signify support and acceptance of those who live with HIV. https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-the-plus-in-lgbtqia-mean-theres-a-lot-behind-that-little-symbol-17946374 https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-the-plus-in-lgbtqia-mean-... Though I'll admit the contentiousness of this designation, I don't think the intent of "+" was to include incest.
    - ThePadawan 4y ago
      Thanks for qualifying. After reading that article that in various places calls out... - "The plus is widely taken as a symbol to represent self-identifying members of the community who are not included in the LGBTQIA acronym" - "The plus in LGBTQIA+ not only represents other sexual labels and identifiers, but also the experiences of those within the community." besides the quote you already mentioned which includes the weasely "Some say", I personally don't really see as a strong of a consensus as your first comment suggests, but appreciate the perspective.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  I think the + just signifies that the movement is willing to include groups that aren't explicitly mentioned because 1) the acronym can only get so long because it becomes alphabet soup. 2) the default posture is to ally with groups that haven't been included yet.
- dudeinjapan 4y ago
  I thought the + signified that it's a streaming platform.

dmurray 4y ago

bobsmooth 4y ago
Nice to know that incest is now deserving of a civil rights movement.

strbean 4y ago

They mention "LGBTQ+ (and atypical heterosexual relationships)"

omegaworks 4y ago
Ah. I missed that on the first read. The visualizations lump them all together.

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drewtato 4y ago

The implication is that Chinese policy considers both incest and LGBTQ as abnormal relationships.

lmkg 4y ago

While the term "LGBTQ+" is highlighted in blue, every instance of it also includes a parenthetical about "or other atypical heterosexual relationships." The labelling is awkward but this seems to me to be there specifically to avoid applying the LGBTQ+ label to incest jokes. The author was raised in another culture and I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here. There are plenty of cultures (even in the US!) that would lump together queerness and incest and forms of sexual transgression. The fact that the author included the parenthetical means that they are aware of the distinction. But the perspective of the Chinese censors is probably to consider non-normative sex as a single category. Perhaps the author intended to highlight the negative effects of censorship by emphasizing the largest and most significant effect of that censorship?

omegaworks 4y ago
The labeling is awkward, that's what I intended to highlight. "Non-normative relationships" or "non-procreative relationships" would have been a great alternative. >There are plenty of cultures (even in the US!) that would lump together queerness and incest and forms of sexual transgression. And it's a not so great thing to do when the goal is safety and acceptance of the queer community. >The author was raised in another culture and I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here. I'm not ascribing any kind of malice or ill intent, just trying to highlight a (to some cultures, important!) distinction that was not made.

dudeinjapan 4y ago

What does the "I" stand for then?