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That's not how it works. If someone makes a claim, by default they are neither right nor wrong. But once you make the statement a claim is wrong (or "not soph
by notch656a 4y ago
That's not how it works. If someone makes a claim, by default they are neither right nor wrong. But once you make the statement a claim is wrong (or "not sophisticated enough") then that person has made an additional assertion.
Burden of proof doesn't mean it default to "you're wrong." It means it defaults to "your position is unfounded." To change it to "you're wrong" requires evidence of your own.
- pessimizer 4y ago> your position is unfounded In the context of an argument, this is the same as wrong. You can't use evidence to refute an unfounded argument; there are no supports to attack.
- notch656a 4y agoHaving no evidence is not the same as being wrong. For instance, I can claim there is a flying spaghetti monster in heaven watching over us. My argument would be unfounded, with no supports to attack, but an assertion to the contrary would be similarly wrong. There is essentially no way to disprove it. Of course OPs statement is arguably one that is able to be disproven, or at least evidence towards disproving it. Unfortunately, the person claiming it was not sophisticated enough failed to provide that evidence. So in my book, they both made unfounded statements.
- yibg 4y agoIf you claim there is a flying spaghetti monster in heaven watching over us, the default position isn't "well maybe it's true maybe it's not, so let's call it 50/50". The default position is that's silly until you can show some evidence.
- notch656a 4y agoThat's an excellent straw man equating 'unfounded' with '50/50'! Congrats!
- yibg 4y agoYou're wrong. Now prove me wrong.
- notch656a 4y agoYou're right [that I'm wrong]. Now prove me right.