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> I know many vegans. They have access to the same information as I do about the treatment of animals, and they have made informed decisions about their lifesty
by d23 4y ago
> I know many vegans. They have access to the same information as I do about the treatment of animals, and they have made informed decisions about their lifestyle, which I fully respect.
> I myself remain a meat-eater.
It strikes me as off that one would consider themselves informed enough to have decided not to be a vegan but consider image generation AI unethical. As a former carnivore (literally sometimes going an entire day eating mostly or entirely meat), access to the information about just how horrific factory farming is and the willingness to open my eyes to it was the only thing that stopped me from being persuaded.
- simonw 4y agoThat's my point. Even though I understand how unethical it is to eat meat, I continue to chose to eat it. I am not proud to remain a meat eater! I only eat meat once or twice a week, and I try to consider the sources, but despite understanding the moral implications of doing so I have not gone vegan or vegetarian. To my mind, this is similar to a situation in which I determine that using AI trained on unlicensed images is unethical but continue to chose to use those AIs.
- lupire 4y agoI encourage you to use a term like "aspiring vegan" or "mostly vegan" or whatever describes you. Binary terminology is a disservice. Everyone cutting meat by 50% is more impactful than 5% of people cutting meat to 0%
- teaearlgraycold 4y ago“Fake vegetarian” is my current preferred term.
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- jszymborski 4y agoI feel like "flexitarian" is a largely deceased remnant of the mid-aughts but I like it. It expresses that one is not dogmatic about the practice, but is mostly conforming. "Aspiring vegan", to my ear, kinda sounds like one thinks about it, but performs zero action towards it, which is a bit of a disservice to those who do indeed consciously do not eat meat for the majority of their meals.
- Klonoar 4y agoI’ve used the term “opportunistic vegan” before - I.e if it’s possible I’ll probably do it, but I’m not gonna kill myself over it.
- jszymborski 4y agoI like that!
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- hbn 4y agoSomething as fundamental as eating -- a process you do multiple times a day to keep yourself alive, and compromising on is an incredibly large convenience/monetary/lifestyle tradeoff -- versus using AI models for generating images from text prompts are very different.
- RosanaAnaDana 4y agoYeah, I found the taking issue with copyright as the primary reason for being averse to AI to be almost breathtakingly hilarious (I at least exhaled through my nostrils once I read it). This quibble to me seems like the most anemic criticism one could muster around the ethical considerations implied by this new generation of AI.