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I look at what transpired during the Evian conference[1]. Yeah, I really don't have much sympathy for europeans not wanting to feel guilty. Sins of the father
by hpcjoe 4y ago
I look at what transpired during the Evian conference[1]. Yeah, I really don't have much sympathy for europeans not wanting to feel guilty. Sins of the father, sure. But they continue the hostile-to-jews policies and actions to this date.
So yeah, if they feel guilty and ashamed of what their fore bearers did ... mebbe ... just mebbe ... they should rethink their behavior of joining with avowed jew haters to persecute the only jewish state.
Maybe.
It is also important to point out that the Europeans opposed the dictator. They did little/nothing to stop the atrocities. That they knew were happening. They could have bombed railways. They didn't (US didn't either). They could have bombed the camps. They didn't.
They focused on defeating an expansionist dictator who was taking over their lands. Anything else was secondary at best.
Given how the jews were treated immediately after the war, in the refugee camps and who would take them in ... yeah, again, the europeans (and my own US) get no sympathy from me for feeling "guilty". They were guilty.
[1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-conference https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-...
- ethotool 4y agoSo explain to us then how Zelensky is allied with Azov in Ukraine? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment
- hpcjoe 4y agoWith respect to the non-sequitur of the Azov bit, it is completely unrelated to this discussion. That is ... unless you have a problem with ... I dunno ... jews?
- ethotool 4y agoOr you won’t answer the question because you know the answer..? Your logic is flawed and makes no sense. Typical though, these regurgitated talking points are not unusual ;)
- hpcjoe 4y agoTypical lefty argument. Introduce a non-sequitur straw-man and make arguments attempting to divert discussion there when you know you've lost the argument. This discussion, again, is not about Ukraine. It's about the propaganda piece mis-published here on HN, and the commentary that followed. Some are reasonable points, others are repeating narratives that are not supported by facts, but make for nice soundbites, to replace reasonable arguments. A simple proposal for fixing the real issue. 1) arabs who lived in Israel accept that their side lost, multiple times, and make peace with Israel. 2) Israel welcomes new peaceful citizens back in. #1 won't happen before #2, and given how long and hard arabs have fought the very existence of Israel, I doubt many Israelis are open to considering any re-integration. That is literally all it would take to get peace. Which means, it will never happen. Until then, we all recognize the narratives for what they are.
- ethotool 4y agoI didn’t expect you to actually answer it because I know it’s complicated. I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. Not everyone hates Jews. How can anyone express their frustrations with what’s happening to the Palestinians without you accusing them of disliking Jews? Do you expect us to just accept what’s happening and remain silent?
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- dang 4y agoPlease don't perpetuate hellish flamewars on HN. It's exactly what this site is not for—regardless of how wrong some people are or you feel they are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- dang 4y agoPlease don't perpetuate hellish flamewars on HN. It's exactly what this site is not for—regardless of how wrong some people are or you feel they are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.