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The most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom
by fffobar 4y ago
The most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom how is it possible for neither sides to win, especially the broadly speaking Arab side. Now with the nuclear arsenal and the very competent military they'll most likely survive at least till the first nuclear war, whenever that happens.
- aa-jv 4y agoThe goal is not to win. The goal is to extract immense profit from the products of war.
- assbuttbuttass 4y agoNot sure what you mean, "the state of Israel" was created in 1948, it's less than 80 years old
- fffobar 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
- hpcjoe 4y agoThe modern state of Israel declared its independence in 1948 (and was immediately attacked by all of its neighbors, something which re-occurred multiple times). The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years. As archaeological evidence continues to demonstrate.
- nyokodo 4y ago> The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years With a ~2500 year gap between the fall of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah and the 1948 modern state.
- hpcjoe 4y agoAnd continuous presence of jews in that land for the entire time. Your point?
- inawarminister 4y agoyes, under the name of Palestinian Jews.
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- ethotool 4y agoPalestinians lived there for over 2000 years. Mainly Muslims and Christians but also a small percentage of Palestinian Jews (1%). It wasn’t until Zionisim and the movement that was first founded before WWI who conspired with the British to illegally take over Palestinian lands and expel over 750,000 refugees to neighboring countries.
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- hpcjoe 4y agoSource for the historical "facts" ? I'd love to read up on this. The 750k refugees "expelled" (overwhelming historical documentary evidence exists of the vast majority leaving as a result of their leaders telling them to leave so they could kill the jews, and then let them come back) seems to omit the 850k (again historically well documented) jews expelled from arab lands post 1948. Simple google searches will provide sources to the historical material I referenced.
- zen_1 4y agoThe "Arab leaders told the Palestinians to flee" line is an old and tired piece of zionist propaganda, mostly used to "justify" the double standard of barring Palestinians whose grandparents were expelled (by claiming they left of their own flee will) from returning to Palestine, while extending the right of return to foreign Jews whose last ancestors who lived in the region most likely did so under the Roman empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus#%22Arab_leaders'_endorsement_of_flight%22_explanation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian... I fail to see why anyone would need to encourage Palestinians to flee, when they were subject to ethnic cleansing such as at Deir Yassin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
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- tom-thistime 4y agoWhat nation is not in an on-again-off-again state of war throughout its existence? I think that may be the rule, not the exception.
- fffobar 4y agoFair point. I guess the difference is the lack of strategic alliances throughout the history with anyone in the area. There were tactical alliances, even with Iran somewhat recently (Operation Opera), but nothing long lasting and "solid". In other words, the environment has always been pretty hostile.