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> Also, I see you've never heard of Miles Routledge, in fact I think he's in Afghanistan right now on a shooting trip with the Taliban If "Miles Routledge" is

> Also, I see you've never heard of Miles Routledge, in fact I think he's in Afghanistan right now on a shooting trip with the Taliban If "Miles Routledge" is on a "shooting trip with the Taliban", he deserves anything he gets. And if you make a habit of visiting "spicy jurisdictions", you deserve anything you get. I say this not out of animus for you or Routledge, but if you knowingly and intentionally engage in risky behavior, you don't get to whine when something goes wrong. Edit: I smoke cigarettes, which I know to be risky behavior. If I get lung cancer, I won't be whining about it. Similarly, if Routledge's Taliban buddies decide they don't like him any more, and take a notion to saw off his head on video (a rather more likely risk than him accidentally being sent to Gitmo, IMO), that's on him.

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arcticbull 4y ago
> And if you make a habit of visiting "spicy jurisdictions", you deserve anything you get. So far what I've got is a broader perspective so thank you.
adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
right, but the fact that you smoke cigarettes doesn't give the US the right to lock you up without charges. The problem isn't that these people got hurt, it's that they got illegally imprisoned for decades without charges or trials.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  Smoking cigarettes exposes me to the risk of lung cancer. Being buddies with the Taliban exposes you to the risk of them sawing off your head, or being taken prisoner as an unlawful combatant. And no, imprisoning unlawful combatants indefinitely is not "illegal", neither under United States law nor under the international laws of war. If you claim otherwise, I'm going to have to ask for a citation.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    > I'm going to have to ask for a citation. And it gets a downmod, rather than a citation. Hint: that means you lose.
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    - arcticbull 4y ago
      You've completely missed the point. We as a society believe people have a presupposition of innocence. The state must prove guilt. You don't get throw into jail to await trial forever if you happen to be wandering the wrong part of town - and you shouldn't if you're wandering the wrong part of the globe. This is literally the bare minimum standard to which we hold ourselves. And for very good reason. The states power should always be checked, at home or abroad. This is especially important as these days wars don't end.

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arcticbull 4y ago

> And if you make a habit of visiting "spicy jurisdictions", you deserve anything you get. So far what I've got is a broader perspective so thank you.

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago

right, but the fact that you smoke cigarettes doesn't give the US the right to lock you up without charges. The problem isn't that these people got hurt, it's that they got illegally imprisoned for decades without charges or trials.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
Smoking cigarettes exposes me to the risk of lung cancer. Being buddies with the Taliban exposes you to the risk of them sawing off your head, or being taken prisoner as an unlawful combatant. And no, imprisoning unlawful combatants indefinitely is not "illegal", neither under United States law nor under the international laws of war. If you claim otherwise, I'm going to have to ask for a citation.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > I'm going to have to ask for a citation. And it gets a downmod, rather than a citation. Hint: that means you lose.
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  - arcticbull 4y ago
    You've completely missed the point. We as a society believe people have a presupposition of innocence. The state must prove guilt. You don't get throw into jail to await trial forever if you happen to be wandering the wrong part of town - and you shouldn't if you're wandering the wrong part of the globe. This is literally the bare minimum standard to which we hold ourselves. And for very good reason. The states power should always be checked, at home or abroad. This is especially important as these days wars don't end.