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It’s completely unreasonable to not be able to play audio through your built in speakers in 2022 (or even 2002). The things people will justify to keep using Li

by pb7 4y ago

It’s completely unreasonable to not be able to play audio through your built in speakers in 2022 (or even 2002). The things people will justify to keep using Linux is insane.

SpacePortKnight 4y ago
Fedora is one of the most beautiful and functional Linux distros out there. I don't think it is the Fedora's ( read: real humans working behind Linux) fault at all. But since manufactures don't provide an out of the box support for Linux, it takes time for the community to catch up. Linux can work just as well as any other operating system if there is a commercial entity maintaining it, like SteamOS for Steam Deck. And that is true for all software, not just Linux.
bee_rider 4y ago
The speakers work fine on mine, but I have to say they aren't much of a killer feature. How often do you use your laptop speakers? Even if you cheap out, it is pretty difficult to find a pair of headphones that sound worse than laptop speakers.
weberer 4y ago
Read that comment again, but slowly this time.
nirimda 4y ago
It's not a matter of what year it is. It isn't Linux's fault, it's a consequences of split responsibilities. On a laptop, Linux is essentially an aftermarket addon -- the product has to be released before it can be adapted. And if Linux is a viable choice, then there really isn't a viable alternative to Linux. On the one hand, Mac OS is probably already ruled out due to some property of Apple and Windows is probably ruled out because it is too excentric to make for a smooth development platform. On the other hand, a lot of people who would prefer to use FreeBSD use Linux on their laptop as a pragmatic compromise (others use MacOS - this is one case where Linux and Apple are probably both legitimately in contention). And so people just have to live with the fact that, when you buy a new laptop, it might be better after six months than it was on the day you got it. This isn't actually that big a deal. Most people are capable of tolerating disappointment and incomplete satisfaction, and it's usually considered as sign of emotional maturity not insanity. If you don't like that, it's a matter of different priorities, not insanity.

by pb7 4y ago

It’s completely unreasonable to not be able to play audio through your built in speakers in 2022 (or even 2002). The things people will justify to keep using Linux is insane.

SpacePortKnight 4y ago

Fedora is one of the most beautiful and functional Linux distros out there. I don't think it is the Fedora's ( read: real humans working behind Linux) fault at all. But since manufactures don't provide an out of the box support for Linux, it takes time for the community to catch up. Linux can work just as well as any other operating system if there is a commercial entity maintaining it, like SteamOS for Steam Deck. And that is true for all software, not just Linux.

bee_rider 4y ago

The speakers work fine on mine, but I have to say they aren't much of a killer feature. How often do you use your laptop speakers? Even if you cheap out, it is pretty difficult to find a pair of headphones that sound worse than laptop speakers.

weberer 4y ago

Read that comment again, but slowly this time.

nirimda 4y ago

It's not a matter of what year it is. It isn't Linux's fault, it's a consequences of split responsibilities. On a laptop, Linux is essentially an aftermarket addon -- the product has to be released before it can be adapted. And if Linux is a viable choice, then there really isn't a viable alternative to Linux. On the one hand, Mac OS is probably already ruled out due to some property of Apple and Windows is probably ruled out because it is too excentric to make for a smooth development platform. On the other hand, a lot of people who would prefer to use FreeBSD use Linux on their laptop as a pragmatic compromise (others use MacOS - this is one case where Linux and Apple are probably both legitimately in contention). And so people just have to live with the fact that, when you buy a new laptop, it might be better after six months than it was on the day you got it. This isn't actually that big a deal. Most people are capable of tolerating disappointment and incomplete satisfaction, and it's usually considered as sign of emotional maturity not insanity. If you don't like that, it's a matter of different priorities, not insanity.